13L G40 NT Arathorn (Axis) vs. Infrastructure (Allies +13)

[arathorn]

Sounds good.

I have now used the same map, and I removed the damage on the battleship since the tactical missed, and I added back a tactical that I took as casualty choice.

[boldfresh]

Wait was arathorn just rewarded by doing what infra wanted?  :-P

[MrRoboto]

Wow Infra - you’ve done two elementary mistakes now within a week, that did cost you the game in both cases (this game and the one against me). From what I’ve seen from you so far that seems unusual. Better step up your concentration in the playoffs :-)

Good luck on this one - it seems you’ll need it to have a chance for a comeback.

[Major Major]

@MrRoboto:

Wow Infra - you’ve done two elementary mistakes now within a week, that did cost you the game in both cases (this game and the one against me). From what I’ve seen from you so far that seems unusual. Better step up your concentration in the playoffs :-)

Good luck on this one - it seems you’ll need it to have a chance for a comeback.

The difference roboto, is i loast our game because my brain was still back in alpha rules for russia/london in this game it was my intent and plan to do excatly what i did except declare war with france which i missed because i tried to get my turn in before work. so a slight mental slip that everyone i’ve talked to would have let me fix in the name of fairplay.  Alas not in this instance.

[Major Major]

gamer if we are playing true to dice wouldn’t my tact have hit the fleet?

[arathorn]

Since it was removed from the battle, the hit was removed.
When added to another battle, it had to be rerolled, since that battle had never happened, and no dice from that battle has been recorded, since it didn’t exist before the scramble decision.

There is no original dice to be kept in that battle.

[gamerman01]

@Infrastructure:

gamer if we are playing true to dice wouldn’t my tact have hit the fleet?

TBH I am confused about which dice we’re using here.

At first I thought it still needed to be rolled (tac vs. fleet), so I rolled it and the tac missed.
I’m not sure what Arathorn did or when he did it.

If Arathorn rolled dice for the tac before I came along and did it on the forum, then I think that dice roll should count.
Original dice should count as much as possible.

Infrastructure, can you check your dice e-mail and see what the time stamp was on the Z39 battle the first time it was rolled on the Triple A dice server?

[arathorn]

If we’re back to actually using the reroll, then yes, his tactical hit. But my rerolls were not accepted.

[gamerman01]

A “re-roll” was necessary because the original didn’t include a scramble.

Unless we REALLY stick with original dice rolled, then we use his first round tactical hit.

Come on, Arathorn, you already got an extra plane put back on and this hit doesn’t even sink a ship.  Take the hit and play on.

[arathorn]

@Gamerman01:

A “re-roll” was necessary because the original didn’t include a scramble.

Unless we REALLY stick with original dice rolled, then we use his first round tactical hit.

Come on, Arathorn, you already got an extra plane put back on and this hit doesn’t even sink a ship.� Take the hit and play on.

I accept it. Just edit it in.

[Major Major]

@Boldfresh:

Wait was arathorn just rewarded by doing what infra wanted?   :-P

The reroll is more because it is what i would have done.  I always play based on intent of a player whenever possible.  The odds were better for me in that battle if I scrambled, so that is what i would have done and did.  I always like to stay true to dice which is why it is always good to ask in any questionable situation.  If I wanted to get really picky he should have rolled the india battle first as it was amphibious (after the scramble request).  but i already know he’s not about playing a fun clean game.  He’s about winning under any circumstance.

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Central America to 89 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Eastern United States
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 fighters placed in 101 Sea Zone
            Americans undo move 2.
            1 carrier, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            Note to player Americans: America has joined the Allies, and declared war on the Axis!
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 35 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4
            Americans collect 50 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 51 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 76 PUs

[gamerman01]

@Infrastructure:

The reroll is more because it is what i would have done.

I appreciate the integrity here.

I always play based on intent of a player whenever possible.  The odds were better for me in that battle if I scrambled, so that is what i would have done and did.  I always like to stay true to dice which is why it is always good to ask in any questionable situation.  If I wanted to get really picky he should have rolled the india battle first as it was amphibious (after the scramble request).  but i already know he’s not about playing a fun clean game.  He’s about winning under any circumstance.

It’s true, you could have made an issue over the out of order combat, because that was against the rulebook.

Time to move on.

[arathorn]

The “out of order” was intentional, to avoid having to edit all the other stuff, should there be a dispute.

[gamerman01]

It was intentional and it was wrong.

You should have done amphibious assault first, and then waited for scramble decision before rolling any dice.

Plus that would have prevented this latest misunderstanding

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

You should have done amphibious assault first, and then waited for scramble decision before rolling any dice.

Now I’M confused.

No, you should have waited for the scramble decision before rolling any dice at all, according to the rule book.
Then you should roll SBR, then amphibious assaults, then all others.

If you are playing with someone who will understand and you agree, then I can see running through all your battles, it’s only 1 tactical that would scramble so you do everything and roll India last and give him maps etc. etc. and roll everything and say if he wants to change it, blah blah blah

But after majorly disappointing Infrastructure with your denial of the French DOW and invasion of India, I think it was poor judgement how you handled this Japan turn.  You need to play it by the book from here out.

[gamerman01]

I am also aware of how you operated a G1 vs. JDOW without asking for scramble decisions for UK, saying “no good player would scramble”.

This is an ill-advised practice, and I think you should stop.  Only do such things with players you know well who you know will not mind.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

I am also aware of how you operated a G1 vs. JDOW without asking for scramble decisions for UK, saying “no good player would scramble”.

This is an ill-advised practice, and I think you should stop.  Only do such things with players you know well who you know will not mind.

very true.

[arathorn]

@Gamerman01:

I am also aware of how you operated a G1 vs. JDOW without asking for scramble decisions for UK, saying “no good player would scramble”.

This is an ill-advised practice, and I think you should stop.  Only do such things with players you know well who you know will not mind.

I said no such thing to JDOW. Here’s what I said:

@arathorn:

I didn’t scramble because usually no one wants to scramble those battles when I do that - it’s a sure thing to lose those ftrs, and with a german buy of cv and 2 trannies, UK can’t afford to lose any in defense.

If you’re going to “quote” me, please do so correctly. In this case, your “quote” could make me look bad as far as how I treat new players, and I wouldn’t want that.

No one has ever scrambled 109, and only once before did anyone scramble 111, and deeply regretted it.
That’s why I took the liberty of doing it, thinking it ok, but quickly offered him to change it when he asked. (I had forgotten to click “post” on my explanation of what I’d done, and how he was free to do his scramble should he want it)

It’s my character flaw of impatience that has caused me to do this, since sometimes players don’t get on for days, and I like to keep a good pace when I have the time. Infrastructure should have been “bumped” a second time when I chose to not do it, and was short of only a few hours today to have deserved a 3rd (would have been 2nd) bump. Now he has posted USA 3, but I have no idea when C3 or U3 will come.

With circumstances like this, it can be frustrating to await a scramble decision for three days, for then to roll through, and wait another three days before they post their next turn.

@Gamerman01:

If you are playing with someone who will understand and you agree, then I can see running through all your battles, it’s only 1 tactical that would scramble so you do everything and roll India last and give him maps etc. etc. and roll everything and say if he wants to change it, blah blah blah

But after majorly disappointing Infrastructure with your denial of the French DOW and invasion of India, I think it was poor judgement how you handled this Japan turn.  You need to play it by the book from here out.

I will however take the suggestion to heart, and try to be more patient in the time ahead.
And yes, against Infrastructure I will certainly do what I can to play by the book.
He’s not too fond of me right now.

[gamerman01]

Trust me, I know.  Infra made me wait for 3 days for decisions with the USA/UK, TWICE and it was very annoying.

Sorry I misquoted you, I didn’t mean it as a direct quote even though I used quotation marks.  I think I was repeating what JDOW told me, and I probably changed what he told me.

But speaking of first impressions on new players, that was a first impression on JDOW that didn’t go over well, and I can understand why.

I HAVE scrambled to 109, 111, and 110 multiple times in different games, often with devastating results for Germany, as an aside.

Anyway, I understand wanting to play efficiently, but you need to make sure you have a good understanding with your opponent first, and you didn’t have that with JDOW or Infrastructure.
Friendly advice.