• 2007 AAR League

    @tekkyy:

    While we are talking about units I might as well bring up the implicit-naval-fighter in aircraft carrier piece rule.

    :? :? :?

    Not familiar with that rule…


  • @Frood:

    @tekkyy:

    While we are talking about units I might as well bring up the implicit-naval-fighter in aircraft carrier piece rule.

    :? :? :?

    Not familiar with that rule…

    The logic is that you don’t build a carrier unless you have fighters, so carriers should have fighters with them.

    I tried the same thing at the supermarket the other day.

    Wat u mean, this hot dog bun not come with hot dog?  It’s a HOT DOG BUN foo!

    imma sorry sir, please put that rubber chicken away.  we sell hot dog buns and hot dogs separately

    uh . . . wat?!  lemme talk to ur manager

    oh gee sir, i really dunno

    (whack!)

    Im da manager.  ive called the police, please put that rubber chicken away

    gimme my complimentary hot dogs

    hm, ok, will u leave then

    sure . . . hey wat the hell these hot dogs come in packages of ten but hot dog buns come in packages of six, wat gives?

    he’s rite over there officers!

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Also, just a thought, but maybe replace super submarines with super carriers?  Carriers carry 3 fighters instead of 2. :P  You’d still have to roll the tech, but think of the advantages if you get the tech.

  • 2007 AAR League

    That would make the Baltic AC a little more attractive…

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yea, except you’d need the technology.  I don’t know if Germany wants to spend the money for the technology and the aircraft carrier.

    To be honest, I’ll aim for Rockets first for Germany.

    However, America and Japan would like it.  England might like it.

  • 2007 AAR League

    Getting OT, but I don’t like the way techs work. You shouldn’t have to gamble to get them. Because if you win, you win big, but if you lose, you can be out a lot of valuable IPCs.

    I still have yet to play a single game with NAs or Techs, but if I do I’d want them pre-allocated at the beginning of the game (though only taking effect after one’s first turn)

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I wouldnt mind a game where you get 2 random NA’s and 1 Random tech per nation.  (Axis chose 1 NA or tech each, allies chose 1 NA or tech)


  • @Jennifer:

    I wouldnt mind a game where you get 2 random NA’s and 1 Random tech per nation.  (Axis chose 1 NA or tech each, allies chose 1 NA or tech)

    Isn’t there enough randomness in this game already?  :? :? :?

    Why not play a game where you CHOOSE them so that these items become more a part of the game strategy instead of ‘I got lucky and got some cool NAs?’  8-) 8-)

  • 2007 AAR League

    I’ve thought that it could be interesting to assign some techs / NA’s randomly and THEN allow the players to bid for each side. You might even make a negative bid (or a bid for the allies) if the Axis got some cool shit.


  • @Frood:

    I’ve thought that it could be interesting to assign some techs / NA’s randomly and THEN allow the players to bid for each side. You might even make a negative bid (or a bid for the allies) if the Axis got some cool sh*t.

    I guess the bid could be an equalizer, but the bid has to be within a certain range… who would allow a bid of >= $12 even with cool NAs?

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Axis:

    The point is to not always have the SAME NA’s in effect.  If you randomize it, then people can play with or against them all.  Also, with the choice selection on top of the random, you can still ensure you get one of the “good” NAs.

    Also, I’ve gotten the Axis in a NA game with a bid of 22.  2 infantry, armor in Ukraine, 11 IPC germany.


  • Why not just bid NA’s then?

    I bid the Axis with 3 NA’s and 1 Tech…


  • @Jennifer:

    Axis:

    The point is to not always have the SAME NA’s in effect.  If you randomize it, then people can play with or against them all.  Also, with the choice selection on top of the random, you can still ensure you get one of the “good” NAs.

    See the problem is that all the NA’s are not even/balanced.  That imbalance invites problems.  Enhanced NAs tried to make them all about the same, even across countries (as much as possible).  Now you are not ‘stuck’ with one or two bad NAs.  The bid is not required to make up for sucky NAs random choices then.

    Also, I’ve seen just about every NA used in Enhanced.

    @Jennifer:

    Also, I’ve gotten the Axis in a NA game with a bid of 22.  2 infantry, armor in Ukraine, 11 IPC germany.

    Ah, a FIDA bid.  I can then see something as high as 22.

    All that being said…..
    
    I probably would enjoy a random NA game as I like to have to strategize more than run the same game plans (READ KGF) as efficiently as possible.

  • @ncscswitch:

    Why not just bid NA’s then?

    I bid the Axis with 3 NA’s and 1 Tech…

    It is more the NA’s selected instead of the how many NAs you have.

  • 2007 AAR League

    mediocre?

    our strategy is kicking ass!  only 32 lost in october, 12 of those to non hostile accidents.  there have been spans of no soldiers lost for 5 days straight!

    or are you one of those harry reid types who declare “the surge is a failure” even before it started.  the surge has worked very well, and our strategy to side with the sunni’s against their fear of iranians involvement in iraq has worked very well.  Anbar province was the worst place, but the marines and their iraqi allies have made that area a non combat zone.  many marines wont even wear helmets or armor there anymore.

    mediocre……thats a laugh.  we are winning, no doubt about it.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I always viewed it as:

    Infantry: Battalion
    Artillery: Company
    Armor: Company
    Fighter: Squadron
    Bomber: Squadron

    Battleship: 1 Battleship + Assorted escorts and service vessels
    Aircraft Carrier: 1 Carrier + Assorted escorts and service vessels
    Destroyer: 3 Destroyers
    Submarine: 3 Submarines
    Transport: 3 Liberty Class, Concrete Floating Targets packed to the gills with men, equipment and supplies begging to be sunk


  • Infantry: Corps
    Artillery: Built into existing armor/ infantry corps no military equivalent
    Armor: Army ( soviet and Japanese) , Corps everybody else
    Fighter: Air wing allocated to specific theater of war
    Bomber: same

    Battleship: 3-5 Battleships/ Battle-cruisers
    Aircraft Carrier: 3-5 Carriers/ In some cases light carriers and escort carriers
    Destroyer: 20-25 destroyers
    Submarine: 20 submarines
    Transport: Unknown number of cargo ships of many types most likely about 40-80


  • …and yet you once again took your time to respond to another person who does not warrant your time… this is like the 10th time for you?

    Wonder why GWB/Iraq war supporter group keeps faring/standing for mediocre strategy.

    No other person is capable of such an extrapolation. If he made his pancakes too large you would find a way to claim his recipe was from George Bush and typical of an American to make large pancakes because he supports the war on Iraq…

    And yet this is not a waste of your time?

    What schizophrenic medication are you missing from your cabinet? I will call Kaiser and have it sent out ASAP-

  • 2007 AAR League

    Off-topic…


  • yes agreed, but if somebody drags in George Bush in a thread about the costs of units in Axis and Allies…. somebody has to say something

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