What to do as allies when Germany goes Sealion

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    James:

    Why does it have to be a round 3 assault on India?  Why not round 4?  That way America cannot hurt the Germans at all until the Germans can get back to the range of their airbases?

    If America’s all clustered around SZ 26, without putting anything into the Atlantic, then a round 2 smash of Kwangtung, Malaya, Sham State, Yunnan and all British/Australian ships in range makes sense.  (Burma with 20+ fighters could be an option instead of using them in other attacks if India is fool-hardy enough to leave their army exposed in Burma.)


  • Jenn,

    It doesn’t have to be J3 for an assault on India, though you have been the one espousing taking out the UK on both sides of the board on Turn 3.  But what about these questions regarding a J4 assault:

    2a) How much harder is it to take India J4 after the UK gets another round to stack?
    2b) Does the extra round Japan has to spend staging for a J4 attack on Calcutta give the ANZ and the US enough time to prepare for Japan swinging back east?

    If I read you correctly, you are saying that US builds and postioning in the Atlantic on US1 is the thing that would make you not do a J2 DoW.  Can you provide more detail on what US1 should look like in the Atlantic to punish Germany for a J2 DoW?

    Thanks.


  • If US is sending everything to atlantic wouldn’t Japan just take hawaii on T3 and then calcutta on T4? and win the game. I can see a scenario in which Japan has 3 AC’s 4 DD’s 2 subs at least off hawaii on T3 along with however many transports built on T2. Then you can also take calcutta and just sacrafice all your air power, but so what, you would have won the game…


  • @theROCmonster:

    If US is sending everything to atlantic wouldn’t Japan just take hawaii on T3 and then calcutta on T4? and win the game. I can see a scenario in which Japan has 3 AC’s 4 DD’s 2 subs at least off hawaii on T3 along with however many transports built on T2. Then you can also take calcutta and just sacrafice all your air power, but so what, you would have won the game…

    Tha would be why from turn 3 on you focus entirely on the pacific with the US, spending 80IPCs. So Japan may be able to grab Hawaii on turn 3 but if the US takes it back on turn 4, without really worrying about Japan retaking it, then the allies are still in the game.


  • US can put a blocker to prevent Japan to get Haw in the same turn they declare war.

    If USA builds just 2 or 3 transports and then 4-6 infantries per turn on the pacific side of the board he can reinforce HAW with enough inf and few figs to make it a fortress against Japan for the first turns.

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    @Clyde85:

    @theROCmonster:

    If US is sending everything to atlantic wouldn’t Japan just take hawaii on T3 and then calcutta on T4? and win the game. I can see a scenario in which Japan has 3 AC’s 4 DD’s 2 subs at least off hawaii on T3 along with however many transports built on T2. Then you can also take calcutta and just sacrafice all your air power, but so what, you would have won the game…

    Tha would be why from turn 3 on you focus entirely on the pacific with the US, spending 80IPCs. So Japan may be able to grab Hawaii on turn 3 but if the US takes it back on turn 4, without really worrying about Japan retaking it, then the allies are still in the game.

    Precisely, once Japan lands in Hawaii, the New York fleet launches, the factories become majors, and $70 gets spent liberating Hawaii before the Japs reach Sydney.


  • Japs only need Hawaii, hong kong, phillipines, and calcutta. I can see Japan taking all these by T4. Possibly even T3 if mistakes were made.

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    @theROCmonster:

    Possibly even T3 if mistakes were made.

    Anything is possible with enough mistakes from one side…

    @theROCmonster:

    Japs only need Hawaii, hong kong, phillipines, and calcutta. I can see Japan taking all these by T4

    I can’t….If Japan can get Hong Kong, Phi, Haw and Ind by T4 when Allies don’t commit huge mistakes, then the game is completely broken.


  • I was talking about when the US goes 100% atlantic to liberate london. This is what we were talking about Axis PLaya.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Axisplaya:

    @theROCmonster:

    Possibly even T3 if mistakes were made.

    Anything is possible with enough mistakes from one side…

    @theROCmonster:

    Japs only need Hawaii, hong kong, phillipines, and calcutta. I can see Japan taking all these by T4

    I can’t….If Japan can get Hong Kong, Phi, Haw and Ind by T4 when Allies don’t commit huge mistakes, then the game is completely broken.

    I’ve not only seen it, I’ve done it.  The game is not completely broken - however.  America just has to keep investing in the Pacific, the allies lose if there is not a HUGE investment by America in the Pacific EARLY.

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