@aequitas-et-veritas
Battles like these can basically lose you the game,
Germany getting diced extremelly hard for example will lose them the game.
In the ideal world you would want something between LL and Dice where you would throw always within 20% of the expected outcome. Or 50% of the bell curve that would be calculated. Sort of Dice game but with upper/lower bounds that you cannot get below/over.
So 20 tanks ( 10 hits average ) would be 8-12 hits. Not 20 and not 0.
Problem is that people will not understand the rules.
Mongolian rules are already difficult for some people to understand, or the rules around neutrals.
But there are so many things unrealistic in this game that just changing france alone does not make it more realistic.
Normaly i group them round 1 next to amur, then afterwards if japan is not in range i walk back to amur to pose a threat.
With the 2 AA guns you really want japan to attack with its airforce, Japan has a lot of air but if you can take away a lot of those it will help the rest of the allies.
Also attack up north isnt going to leave the planes in position to attack south the next round so plan your allied moves accordingly. Move russia down the same round as you want to move the Us forward and the UK-Pac up and anzac to the money islands.
Even if japan can attack and kill 1 of your forces the others will then have a free hand because surviving japan air is out of position for a few rounds and without the airpower japan is quite weak.
You could use D12 and make it so that bombers hit on a 1
escorting fighters @ 1-2-3
defending fighters @1-2-3-4
That way its not a huge difference but it does reflect the home advantages and the inherit fighter advantages against bombers but also the fact that bombers can defend themself.
Maby not the worst dice but the funnies thing that happened.
Real game so just phisical board, using 4mm dice of 4 different colors to optimize gameplay.
We always throw in the cover of 1 of the boxes because even with these dice getting a few on the board can lead to unrecoverable situation.
So i throw like 30 dice in 1 go and 1 of the dice desided to land on its corner, we where like WTF just happened.
Well my idea wasnt about chosing losses but just to scoring hits.
So bombers can still defend themself against defending fighters and escorting fighters will be a lot stronger them bombers but the defender still has the advantage.
Though AA should also hit on 1 on a D12 as AA fire was pretty ineffective in the war.
Since you got the destroyer if you put that in the channel and get your units from canada home germany has a hard time. You can get the gibraltar fighter home and maby buy 1 fighter + 6 inf. Now you got 3fts on londen. He cannot send 8 air against it because well scramble 1 dd + 3fts vs 1 cruiser = exit invation. But if he sends in 2 many for 110 he wont take london.
A major factor that makes it so easy for the axis to win the game is the air power that can project over long distances.
This also makes the game a lot less historic as you can attack way longer ranged the any bomber could fly in those days.
But if air power could not project that far as there are limits to how far a plane can fly this would change the game a lot and might balance it in favor of the allies. But also make it a lot more historical.
Just an idea but if we made the attack range of a plane its max movement /2 rounded up. So a bomber can attack a max of 3 spaces around it( 4 if comming from an air base )
Now suddenly the med is a combat zone again, pacific the Japanese planes are a lot less powerfull and R1 and even J1 is not nearly as powerfull as before.
India crush will also be a lot harder because you cant use your planes that far out.
And defending against a fleet from the US as germany doesnt work because your bombers cannot even get to the spot again.
Personaly i think island trading is better for them, they can produce right at the front.
Having 2 or 3 country navy is good for defence but not that great for offence. If you take the burden of transports/troops away from the US they can make a bigger navy to threaten more.
And the US can always can open for you making sure you can get to a lightly defended island.
World domination gives the allies the option to go 100% KGF even as far as just pulling away from pacific only holding on to the middle east.
Japan will stall out around the 80-90 ipc mark. With the western help russia will crush germany and will be happy around the 60ish with its bonus ipcs.
Combined with the rest of the income from the allies japan will be hard pressed when they make only 70% of the income the allies have to keep going.
@aequitas-et-veritas
Battles like these can basically lose you the game,
Germany getting diced extremelly hard for example will lose them the game.
In the ideal world you would want something between LL and Dice where you would throw always within 20% of the expected outcome. Or 50% of the bell curve that would be calculated. Sort of Dice game but with upper/lower bounds that you cannot get below/over.
So 20 tanks ( 10 hits average ) would be 8-12 hits. Not 20 and not 0.
@thedesertfox said in Bid question:
I definitely do think the Axis can have an upper hand and sway in the OOB rules especially since the Allies have to take Berlin Rome and Tokyo
Though its difficult, I typically play where the Allies need to take Berlin and Rome since those are actually duable to take, and as for Japan the Allies need to out Japan on such a state that they are rendered useless so basically there’s Allied bombing on tokyo, the Japanese navy is gone and their sphere of influence on the Pacific is crumbling so that’s the basic gist of it.
The only country id give a bid to are the Soviets since Germany i feel is just way too strong when rolling through the USSR other than that America and the UK really don’t need it. They’re put in a position that requires an Allied player to play their cards precisely and efficiently
Well the allies dont need to take those 3, they just have to make sure that the axis dont win and dont overpower them with income. As long as they can keep their income advantage and prevent the axis from winning they will win.
Once japan is bottled up and germany is being pushed back the axis will most likely give up, if not well you will win eventually it just takes a few more rounds.
Or even more sneaky,
Attack a fleet of transports 3 steps away from the carrier and attack a huge fleet in between with 1 sub. Since in theory the sub could win your carrier could pick up that lone fighter so the attack is valid.
Since the sub didnt win your fighter is lost but if you trade it for 2-3 transports.
And its not an illegal move as it was possible to land the plane during the combat move phase.
@taamvan said in Help! American declaration of war privilege:
That sure is a great, new strategy
Staring intently at US player with no J3 DOW
“So you’re saying that you’re done with your turn.”
“Yes.”
“So the collect income phase of your turn is over, and you’re placing units?..go ahead and place those…”
“YOU FOOL!!! I’ve won without firing a shot–because now the USA must sit idle turn after turn as the axis destroy the other, weaker allies bwahahahaha”
The Sneaky Tojo is born
Not really, it also means that Japan can never attack UK or Anzac at all. So japan is basicaly limited to annoying china and russia while anzac and UK-Pac just build up and take over the middle east and assist russia
Unless you can provide the part where it is writen that the US can declare on any axis power after round 3 they cannot.
Unless there is a Errata from the game publisher ofcourse.
From his post and the parts of the rulebook he posted it it clearly writen the US cannot declare war.
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The United States begins the game neutral. It may not declare war on Japan unless Japan first declares war on it or makes an unprovoked declaration of war against the United Kingdom or ANZAC.
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No mention of any rounds this rule is lifted. It is in effect every round of the game until US is at war.
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he United States may not declare war on any Axis power unless an Axis power either declares war on it first or captures London or any territory in North America, or Japan makes an unprovoked declaration of war against the UK or ANZAC, after which it may declare war on any or all Axis powers on its following turn.
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Also no round mentioned that the rule is lifted, it is in effect for the whole duration of the game.
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However, if it’s not yet at war by the Collect Income phase of its third turn, the United States may declare war on any or all Axis powers at the beginning of that phase.
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This is the only time that the above rule is lifted. The only time in that specific part of the round where you can declare without being provoked.
Im just reading literaly whats in the rule book. Personally i think its a stupid rule that should be better writen but it isnt.
Are you right in that it is logical that the US can declare after round 3 yea absolutely it should be that way.
But its not writen that way, and the rules are the rules as they are writen.
In the same way its stupid that all warships are in combat if you destroy 1 transport and cannot bombard. Its stupid as a rule but thats how the rule is writen.
@andrewaagamer said in Help! American declaration of war privilege:
Normally a Power is not allowed to declare war until the Combat Move Phase. The US has a specific exemption from this rule that it can begin to declare war on the Collect Income phase of the 3rd Turn instead of having to wait until the Combat Move Phase of the 4th Turn. Just because the US does not use this exemption does not remove its ability to now declare war on any future turns beyond Turn 3 during the Combat Move Phase. It has met and completed its restrictions by waiting until at least the Collect Phase of the 3rd Turn or responded to an unprovoked attack before declaring war. Now that those restrictions are removed they may declare war.
There is no mention that US can declare war after Round 3. It is specificaly stated that it cannot declare war unless conditions are met ( which is not being past round 3 ) or they are in the income phase of round3. The limitation the declare war remains in play unless its removed which isnt the case in the example by the topic starter.
The rule that US cannot declare war is not removed by any rule in the book after round 3 is completed. Its logical that it should be able to do so after round 3. But thats not what the rulebook stipulates.
Moral of the story, declare ASAP as US dont delay or your fucked.
Hm thats is a verry interesting interpretation of the rules but not an invalid interpretation of these rules.
The US cannot declare war unless japan attacks UK/Anzac, germany takes londen or it is attacked itself.
Unless its in the income phase of round 3.
So if you dont do it in the income phase of round 3 you are bound by the first rule. Guess if the US player forget it at that point axis can go ham against russia and china/russia as long as they dont attack UK/Anzac unprovoked or take londen US will remain neutral.
@kaihlhac
You can move ships in the combat move phase to avoid combat so you can move that destroyer to the SZ you want to move it in the combat phase.
Its the same as the enemy builds a destroyer in the SZ you can just move your fleet away in the combat move phase so you dont have to fight it.
It does depend a lot what you allow with your bid though.
2 subs in SZ110 isnt allowed by most.
1 anzac int in guinea isnt always allowed.
Stuff in the med and afrika is normaly usefull to shut down any expansions there fast.
@witt Logically that would be the case.
But what do the rules say in this scenario?
There is naval combat that is technically still ongoing and invasion takes place after naval combat.
You can ignore transports but they where not ignored they where engaged.
But there are currently no enemy naval vessles there as well.
So yea i agree that it makes scense for the invasion just to go on but i want to have some sort of rules reference as both points of the argument are equally valid in this case.
Its the same you can ignore only subs but if he scrambles 1 fighter you have to fight the subs as well. Even if the fighter is killed the subs cannot be ignore anymore.