G40L Infrastructure vs JuanSpain(Allies+9)

[JuanSpain]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Ethiopia
                British attack with 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 39
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to British Guiana
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 battleship moved from 111 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 111 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec

Place Units - British
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4
            British collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry

[Major Major]

what is the ool for sz97?  what a difference a sub makes.  I thought for sure i would at least take that out. :roll:

[JuanSpain]

It does, you should have eliminated it however, did you forget posting your combat move?

If you attack with everything, destroyer, sub, and damage battleship first, then it depends on the results of first round.

Thx

[Major Major]

ooops :-D

[JuanSpain]

Yeah, max defense except carrier hits last, to avoid your retreat and my planes landing in the sea… Thx

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians , 1 cruiser owned by the British , 1 fighter owned by the Italians , 1 submarine owned by the Italians , 1 fighter owned by the British , 1 submarine owned by the British , 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                retreated to 97 Sea Zone
                British win, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 carrier and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Tunisia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Tunisia
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French , 1 artillery owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Albania to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
            4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
            Italians collect 12 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUs total

[Major Major]

not the best first turn…  I love a challenge.

[JuanSpain]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
                  ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 fighter placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total

[JuanSpain]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

[JuanSpain]

@Infrastructure:

not the best first turn… � I love a challenge.

Taking a little risk here… lets see how it goes…

[Major Major]

scramble all

[JuanSpain]

??? :roll:

[Major Major]

ok, whats going on? :?

[JuanSpain]

Your turn with Germany right?

[JuanSpain]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

[JuanSpain]

Apologies!!  :-D I wanted to do it as NCM and thought that was what I posted, I was not understanding your scramble all arder as I did not ask, sorry.

Germany.

Cheers

Juan

[Major Major]

my bad. i didn’t notice it was ncm!
sorry.

:roll:

[Major Major]

actually im not sure you can do that? 
In the non-combat move section of the rules it say, “a sea unit can move through any friendly sea zone.  it cant move into or through a hostile sea zone.”  it goes on to discuss the submarine exception, but that is all.

i will be gone for most of the day and evening, if you want to verify with gamerman you should!

[JuanSpain]

Ok, lets  check, given it is only a sub I am not sure.

Cheers

Juan

[gamerman01]

Hi guys!  Hope you’re having a fun game.

Technically, it is illegal to move ANY non-combat moves during the combat movement phase, however, it is common practice for players to do so, and as it normally only handicaps that moving player, it is not normally enforced.
However, had that rule been followed here, you would not have any confusion.

That said, the movement to Z97 by the Allies was not a combat move, because the Italian sub was being ignored.  There was no possible scramble opportunity.  The confusion arises as JuanSpain posted the combat movement, and Infrastructure saw that and guessed the reason was to wait for a scramble decision.

JuanSpain clearly only intended to noncombat move all these units to Z97, and while he technically should have done so only in the non-combat movement phase (not to mention the infantry he was moving around), I think it is clear that he should be able to make this move with no problem, and with no scramble opportunity.

This is only possible because the only Axis ship in Z97 is a submarine and thus it is not a hostile sea zone (takes a surface warship to be hostile) and can be ignored.

Happy gaming!