13L G40.2 Gamerman01 (Allies +9) vs. Jeff28 (Axis)

[Jeff28]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :9

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Libya
            2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to Libya
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Libya

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Libya
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 mech_infantry; Americans defend with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Libya, round 1 :  1/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Libya, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians , 1 bomber owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Libya
                British win with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
                2 fighters owned by the Italians and 1 bomber owned by the Italians retreated

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Libya to Southern Italy
            2 fighters moved from Libya to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Romania

Place Units - Italians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            1 infantry placed in Northern Italy
            1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Romania : 1 armour
    Northern Italy : 1 factory_major and 1 infantry
    Southern Italy : 4 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 5 infantry
    96 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    93 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 transport
    98 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 43 / 64
    Russians : 30 / 35
    Japanese : 64 / 70
    Americans : 57 / 82
    Chinese : 2 / 7
    British : 36 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 8
    Italians : 13 / 23
    ANZAC : 10 / 18
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[Jeff28]

Bad play + bad dice isn’t getting it done in this one.

[gamerman01]

What the?  Why’d you take my bomber off?

[gamerman01]

Maybe you were going to invite me to change casualties?

I would want to lose the mech since you only scored 1 hit.

[gamerman01]

And yes you were very unfortunate on the Libya attack - sorry

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

Maybe you were going to invite me to change casualties?

I would want to lose the mech since you only scored 1 hit.

Well, I guess you could be following up with the Germans.
I would still lose the mech.

If you want to continue the attack on Libya in light of this, I am giving you opportunity to do that

I guess I can go ahead and do ANZ and France since I don’t see how that will affect the Libya issue.

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :9

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 armour moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 armour moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from India to Malaya

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                ANZAC attack with 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                ANZAC win with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in Java
                ANZAC attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                ANZAC win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in Malaya
                ANZAC attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 aaGun moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 aaGun moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales
            1 infantry placed in Queensland

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :9

Combat Move - French
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Libya: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Libya: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

[gamerman01]

Again, since I disagreed with your casualty choice assumption for me in Libya, you certainly have the right to continue your attack with the Italians.  Just roll it on the forum here, and if you don’t know how to do that I can help you.  Then we could edit for the results.

Or maybe you were going to hit it with the Germans and you were giving me the benefit of max defense knowing that.  Well if that’s the case you should be happy because I have less defense there now.

[Jeff28]

How would you have known you’d get those def hits? You were only supposed to get one. Of course you’d choose max def for the second round of my attack with Italy?

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

How would you have known you’d get those def hits? You were only supposed to get one. Of course you’d choose max def for the second round of my attack with Italy?

Damn it, Jeff

I KNOW I wouldn’t have known how my defense did when choosing my casualty.  I would have taken the mech off.  It really ticks me off that you’re trying to justify choosing my heavy bomber over my worthless mech when you presumed my casualty choice without asking me.

WHY did you presume my casualty choice?  That ain’t cool, man.  You were too eager to take off my heavy bomber.

I wouldn’t have taken my heavy bomber off precisely because then you could retreat.  I would make you continue until you could get it.  I don’t look at things the way you do (1 expected hit in defense).  I consider that I COULD have scored THREE hits on defense.

You know, I’m getting tired of your pickiness.  You picked at my ranking system, and you criticized me for changing a purchase when I was still doing my combat move.

Yet you are the one who wanted to go back SEVERAL rounds to change a significant noncom in that game with Bold, after seeing what he did with Italy?!

Finally, what the hell?  This increases your odds of wiping my remaining units on Libya because I wanted to take off the mech first.

Once again HOW DARE YOU tell me I would have taken off the heavy bomber?

This makes me mad.

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

Of course you’d choose max def for the second round of my attack with Italy?

Oh, I kind of overlooked this at first.

No, I would NOT necessarily choose max defense in the second round with Italy.  I probably would, though.

Point is, DO NOT ASSUME CASUALTIES FOR PEOPLE WHEN BOMBERS, ESPECIALLY HEAVY BOMBERS ARE INVOLVED and there is INFANTRY sitting there too.  There’s not that much difference in defense value.

Do you really expect a guy won’t care when you only score one hit against 3 units, one of which is infantry, and then retreat?

You lose your rights when you don’t wait for a casualty choice with a heavy bomber on the ground.  You broke the rules of the game.  The rules require that you wait for my casualty choice before rolling the defense roll.  It is unfair of you to challenge me that I wouldn’t have taken mech off first knowing the defense hit twice, because you shouldn’t have rolled it in the first place.

When I told you I would have taken off mech first when seeing you only scored one hit, I was being honest in saying that’s what I would have taken off, even not knowing my defense roll.

But you screwed all this up by PRESUMING and ROLLING when you shouldn’t have.

Like I said, damn it Jeff.  Play by the rules.

[gamerman01]

Surely you will see my point and leave my heavy bomber there.

Good gracious you can kill it with the Germans anyway.

Or shall I bring in a moderator who will most certainly tell you that you were WRONG to assume my casualty choice without waiting and that you are WRONG to refuse my change now.

[gamerman01]

I have had great patience with you.  I told you I wouldn’t bump you when you had bit off more than you could chew.  I am tired of re-orienting myself to this game every 3-5 days when you finally make a move.  And now you’re being unsportsmanlike.

I will certainly be bumping you at 72 hours each time now.  This game was decided when the Russians started pushing back.  It’s a no doubter now.

Please make the G10 or resign.

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

Bad play + bad dice isn’t getting it done in this one.

This was NOT classy.

So it’s because you played bad and I supposedly was much luckier than you that you are losing?

You give your opponent no credit whatsoever.

[gamerman01]

And in a game where you just admitted you’re “not getting it done” you choose to take a stand on a casualty choice that YOU made that I should have made?

Oh my goodness.  This is too much.

[gamerman01]

Bump #1

[Jeff28]

Sorry bad week for me at work. I will probably be off line until the weekend after this move.

Thanks for your patience,
–Jeff

[Jeff28]

I forgot we were having this issue, been working too much.

I don’t understand your argument. I assumed I would do the follow up attack rd 2 as I was a huge favorite so I did std max defense. Then you got the unexpected 2 def hits. So I chose to retreat. I was not intending to retreat when I chose your bomber. You want me to leave your bombers to the end of battles where you are a big underdog?

I mean it was a 99% percent battle I was doing on autopilot that got diced. You want me to give you causality choices at every little battle? This game is slow enough as it is.

I mean isn’t it unfair with knowledge of the retreat to then choose your casuality now with perfect hindsight?

If you want to go back to the point of the attack to choose your casualty and re-roll from there that is fine with me.

[gamerman01]

When bombers are on the ground, especially heavy bombers, it is not cool to hit it for one round, take off the bomber without asking, and then retreat.  How do you not understand that?

I have such a comfortable lead in this game I am thinking about letting you have your way.  I am mainly upset because of the principle of the thing.

I am online VERY regularly and waiting for a casualty choice is pretty much required in a situation like that.

It definitely felt cheap, and I’m very confident most players would adamantly agree.