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[CWO Marc]

@knp7765:

Lower Left are the Yamatos. As you can see, HBG’s beautiful new Yamato is significantly larger than the OOB Yamato. WOTC never should have used the Yamato for Japan’s basic battleship sculpt as it was considered a “super” battleship and not in the norm for Japan’s battleships of the time. The HBG sculpt is absolutely gorgeous in my opinion. I love that you can see individual gun barrels even at this scale.

Thanks for the pictures and for the size calculations!  Yes, the new Yamato certainly looks great.  I especially like the excellent job HBG did at depicting the ship’s distinctive scalloped stern, which on the OOB sculpt is excessively pointy.  As fond as I am of the Yamato class, I agree that it was a debatable choice as Japan’s OOB battleship, just as the Wasp was as the American OOB carrier.  It’s odd that on the one hand some of the questionable OOB sculpt choices (like the Stuka as a fighter and the 88mm as field artillery in the early games) were made because the units were “iconic”, but that on the other hand some of those choices (like the one-off Wasp) had nothing iconic about them.  The Yorktown or Essex classes would have worked much better, since they were produced in larger numbers and since they had very active and distinguished service histories.  Yamato was certainly iconic because of its great size, but that same element made it an anomaly among Japanese capital ships.  On the other hand, the Yamatos were the only new capital ships produced in the 1930s-1940s period; the rest of its battlewagons and battlecruisers in WWII were of WWI vintage (though some had been upgraded / rebuilt in the interwar period).  So I’m a bit torn on that one.  Fortunately, the 1941 game provided us with an OOB Kongo class sculpt, so that helped, and HBG’s new lineup helps even more.

[John Brown]

Nice pictures Knp, showing us the differences in sizes of all these ships. Your right, the Kaga carrier is awesome. It is my favorite of the Japanese carriers. :-)

[knp7765]

@John:

@LHoffman:

One thing that I noticed in particular with this set is how well the battleship turrets are molded. They actually look like individual turrets as opposed to raised boxes from the deck. Very, very good improvement.

I noticed the turrets as well. This set has great detail.

I noticed the OOB medium tanks are bigger than the HBG ones.

Was this on purpose to bring everything back to scale?

Hi John,
I wanted to reply to your remark about the tanks. You see, WOTC had a certain scale when making their pieces. Check out my post about the Battleships and Carriers. I used to have the measurements for all the different units but I would have to go back and measure them again. All Carriers were 64mm in length, all Battleships were within a range of 58-62 mm in length and so on. However, the ACTUAL ships were way different. The Yamato of course was huge, and the Iowas were nearly as long as the Yamato (just not as wide or heavy). The Bismarck was a little shorter than the Iowa class. The Royal Oak and Gangut were of much earlier design and were much shorter than the Yamato, Iowa or Bismarck classes. In fact, the Gangut was even shorter than a lot of the heavy cruisers of the time.
So, when making the tank pieces, WOTC tried to keep on the same scale originally. Think about the pieces back when the Revised edition came out. Back then they had the M4 Sherman for USA and England, T34 for Russia, Panther for Germany and Type 95 for Japan. WOTC made their tank sculpts all very close to the same size, like their ships and planes, in an effort to create a visual depiction on the board so that players would automatically know what was a tank, a fighter, a destroyer, etc.
Now, if you know something about WW2 history, you will know that the Panther tank nearly dwarfed the Sherman and T34. Also, the Type 95 from Japan was actually a light tank and was really tiny by comparison. It was even smaller than the US light tank, the M5 Stuart. The Type 95 had rather thin armor – .50 caliber bullets could penetrate the Type 95 armor – but that is another story.
What HBG has decided to do is try and keep their tanks and other vehicles closer to real-life comparisons, at least within reason. This is why HBG’s Tiger sculpt is pretty big for a board game piece when you compare it to some of the smaller tanks (Sherman, Panzer III, Type 97, etc.)
So, that is why the OOB tanks seem so much bigger.

[John Brown]

@knp7765:

@John:

@LHoffman:

One thing that I noticed in particular with this set is how well the battleship turrets are molded. They actually look like individual turrets as opposed to raised boxes from the deck. Very, very good improvement.

I noticed the turrets as well. This set has great detail.

I noticed the OOB medium tanks are bigger than the HBG ones.

Was this on purpose to bring everything back to scale?

Hi John,
I wanted to reply to your remark about the tanks. You see, WOTC had a certain scale when making their pieces. Check out my post about the Battleships and Carriers. I used to have the measurements for all the different units but I would have to go back and measure them again. All Carriers were 64mm in length, all Battleships were within a range of 58-62 mm in length and so on. However, the ACTUAL ships were way different. The Yamato of course was huge, and the Iowas were nearly as long as the Yamato (just not as wide or heavy). The Bismarck was a little shorter than the Iowa class. The Royal Oak and Gangut were of much earlier design and were much shorter than the Yamato, Iowa or Bismarck classes. In fact, the Gangut was even shorter than a lot of the heavy cruisers of the time.
So, when making the tank pieces, WOTC tried to keep on the same scale originally. Think about the pieces back when the Revised edition came out. Back then they had the M4 Sherman for USA and England, T34 for Russia, Panther for Germany and Type 95 for Japan. WOTC made their tank sculpts all very close to the same size, like their ships and planes, in an effort to create a visual depiction on the board so that players would automatically know what was a tank, a fighter, a destroyer, etc.
Now, if you know something about WW2 history, you will know that the Panther tank nearly dwarfed the Sherman and T34. Also, the Type 95 from Japan was actually a light tank and was really tiny by comparison. It was even smaller than the US light tank, the M5 Stuart. The Type 95 had rather thin armor – .50 caliber bullets could penetrate the Type 95 armor – but that is another story.
What HBG has decided to do is try and keep their tanks and other vehicles closer to real-life comparisons, at least within reason. This is why HBG’s Tiger sculpt is pretty big for a board game piece when you compare it to some of the smaller tanks (Sherman, Panzer III, Type 97, etc.)
So, that is why the OOB tanks seem so much bigger.

Ok, great, that is what I thought. I was curious because I knew each tank was different in size in real life. Now that HBG has made their tanks, I can start replacing different pieces. :-D

[Yavid]

I got my email telling me my order has shipped today I’m very excited to see the new pieces.

[John Brown]

@Yavid:

I got my email telling me my order has shipped today I’m very excited to see the new pieces.

That is awesome! They made my day, when I got mine! :-D

[Yavid]

just checked they are suppose to be here on tuesday I’m excited.

[John Brown]

@Yavid:

just checked they are suppose to be here on tuesday I’m excited.

That is awesome man! Happy for you! :-D

[John Brown]

Can someone tell me which HBG tank is the same as the OOB German Panther, or has one not been made yet?

Is the one on the new German Axis Minor 2 set suppose to replace it?

I’m just confused on the names of the tanks.

Thanks for any help! :-)

John

[CWO Marc]

@John:

Can someone tell me which HBG tank is the same as the OOB German Panther

“The same” in what sense?  The one that’s closest in sculpt size?  The one which representes the same real-life Panther tank?  As far as I know, the only tanks which HBG has produced or is in the process of producing are:

German & Axis Minors Supplement Set 1
38t Light Tanks
Panzer III Medium Tanks
Stug IIIG Tank Destroyers

WW2 Germany Expansion Set
Panzer II Light Tank
Tiger 1 Heavy Tank

WW2 Axis Minor 2 (Not yet available)
PzIVG Medium Tank

Amerika (Not yet available)
Panther II
GW Panther
E-100
Flakpanzer

[John Brown]

@CWO:

@John:

Can someone tell me which HBG tank is the same as the OOB German Panther

“The same” in what sense?  The one that’s closest in sculpt size?  The one which representes the same real-life Panther tank?  As far as I know, the only tanks which HBG has produced or is in the process of producing are:

German & Axis Minors Supplement Set 1
38t Light Tanks
Panzer III Medium Tanks
Stug IIIG Tank Destroyers

WW2 Germany Expansion Set
Panzer II Light Tank
Tiger 1 Heavy Tank

WW2 Axis Minor 2 (Not yet available)
PzIVG Medium Tank

Amerika (Not yet available)
Panther II
GW Panther
E-100
Flakpanzer

Do we have an HBG equivalent is probably how I should have asked the question?

Sorry, should have made my question more clear!

[CWO Marc]

@John:

Do we have an HBG equivalent is probably how I should have asked the question?

I think that at the moment the answer is no, but the Amerika game is supposed to have a “Panther II” (whatever that is).

[John Brown]

@CWO:

@John:

Do we have an HBG equivalent is probably how I should have asked the question?

I think that at the moment the answer is no, but the Amerika game is supposed to have a “Panther II” (whatever that is).

OK, thanks Marc! :-)

[knp7765]

The Axis Minors 2 set is also going to have a Panther tank in it. HBG removed the Tiger since we already got it in the German Expansion set. The Tiger I still shows up in the photo gallery on the Axis Minors 2 page, but that is just because he hasn’t gotten around to updating it yet. Been too busy getting out the Japanese Expansion sets and trying to get Amerika finished.

[John Brown]

@knp7765:

The Axis Minors 2 set is also going to have a Panther tank in it. HBG removed the Tiger since we already got it in the German Expansion set. The Tiger I still shows up in the photo gallery on the Axis Minors 2 page, but that is just because he hasn’t gotten around to updating it yet. Been too busy getting out the Japanese Expansion sets and trying to get Amerika finished.

Ok, cool, I was wondering about that. Thanks for the info! :-D

[HBG]

@CWO:

@John:

Do we have an HBG equivalent is probably how I should have asked the question?

I think that at the moment the answer is no, but the Amerika game is supposed to have a “Panther II” (whatever that is).

Panther II is the next generation, instead of the 75L70 gun , it was to mount the 88L71 (same gun as the Tiger II).

[John Brown]

@coachofmany:

@CWO:

@John:

Do we have an HBG equivalent is probably how I should have asked the question?

I think that at the moment the answer is no, but the Amerika game is supposed to have a “Panther II” (whatever that is).

Panther II is the next generation, instead of the 75L70 gun , it was to mount the 88L71 (same gun as the Tiger II).

OK, I got you. Thanks for the info.

[Pacific War]

About how long do you expect before the new Japanese pieces are available individually?

[Yavid]

I got my Japanese pieces in today. Everything looks awesome. Good Job guys.

[John Brown]

@Yavid:

I got my Japanese pieces in today. Everything looks awesome. Good Job guys.

Congratulations! What color or colors did you get? :-D