Transports and submarines in the same seazone

@Faramir said in Transport vs Sub:

Can a transport make an amphibious assault where there is an enemy submarine if an air unit escorts the transport?

No, as an air unit is not a “warship belonging to the attacking power”.

Rulebook, page 13:

“However, a transport is not allowed to offload land units for an amphibious assault in a sea zone containing one or more ignored enemy submarines unless at least one warship belonging to the attacking power is also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase.”

Thanks for posting this here. Discord is miserable for actually maintaining/archiving information to the point where I have no idea how it’s become top dog over the years.

Thank you panther, its all cleared up now.

Exactly…  Each round of combat occurs at the same time.  So, surprise strikes happen on the same turn.  Attacking/Defending rolls are a single turn.  Surprise attack/defend are simultaneous.  Unless there is a destroyer present which negates the surprise for the opposite side.  Note that the destroyer must be on the attacking side to make a difference.  A defending destroyer can be any allied ownership.  The defender gets the benefit of the doubt in this situation.  As the rules state for attackers, only those units owned by the attacker participate in the battle however all defending units participate regardless of ownership unless explicitly stated and this only applies to submarines that can submerge.

It’s important to note that while the sub movement rules allow them to treat hostile sea zones as though they were friendly, this doesn’t exempt subs from any of the other rules for movement.  In all other respects, they move in the exact same way as any other sea unit.

Ahhh okay thanks guys! Just clearing the air a bit due to my last game with a KGF. We were all a little unfamiliar about how that worked with transports and such so we went along with modified rules everyone thought was fair and afterwards we’d ask this forum for clarification. Thanks again!

All right, thanks!

@bryanbr:

@Hobbes:

I sent the Russian fighter to Egypt and did an SZ37 attack with the UK. Germany got a carrier for the Med. Japan killed the Russian stack on Buryatia and did a botched attack on Hawaii. US went Pacific.

It sounds like the Japanese player was just incompetent.

Under no scenario do I see Japan attacking Hawaii if the US is putting the right amount into the Pacific.  If in KGF, the US needs to support the pacific with enough to prevent the loss of Hawaii.

He decided to attack SZ52 on J1 with 1 FTR, 1 BMR, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine. That’s 73% odds with LL, enough to make the US lose the carrier but my sub got lucky and hit with a 1.