Cow (allies +13) vs. Bold

[boldfresh]

@Cow:

BM to not surrender and make the allies take all 3 capitals.

i’m not going to make you take all 3 capitals - but i may make you take one.

i understand you want to shorten the game, but it’s not your right to go back and roll more combat after you rolled dice already.

[boldfresh]

Cow, what I’m saying is, your attack on tobruk cannot be allowed.  Tell me you agree and we can get this show on the road and wrap it up.

[Cow]

I disagree, it was obvious attack. You should have defended it or put it out of reach. It is the only bomber on the map.

[boldfresh]

@Cow:

I disagree, it was obvious attack. You should have defended it or put it out of reach. It is the only bomber on the map.

It may have been obvious if one were watching but you were on overdrive and not paying attention.  You missed it until you were in noncom so the attack is disallowed.

[boldfresh]

And if it was obvious why did you not make the attack in the first place.  Ergo, it was not obvious.

[Cow]

I did it before I did my non combat moves.

[Cow]

You can get a moderator if it bothers you so much.

[boldfresh]

Moderator has been requested already.  I’m confident of the answer.  I was just Hoping u would agree without a ruling so we can continue

[Cow]

You obviously do not play friendly games. I regret playing this game with you. You asked me to play games on the forum and you want to be like this.

I will report all my other games as losses. Then I will defeat you. Just to be spiteful. Then I would enjoy playing this one game more.

[JDOW]

It is common knowledge/agreement in friendly games that players must still ask for permission to do edits after dice have been rolled and that edits can be done without permission of no dice are involved. The grey zone are edits after convoy rolls but adding combat moves involving dice after dice have been rolled certainly always need a permission.

the offending part is NOT to expect such a move to be allowed but to but to just do such an edit secretly and take the permission as taken for granted without asking for it. And now cow even cannot refute the accusation that the reason for not asking was that he was anxious that Bold might refuse and thus hoping he would not realize.

It is blatantly obvious that official ruling will decide in favor of bold. And it was cow who did the first unsportsmanlike action to initiate the upcoming downward spiral.

If cow would have asked and Bold would have rejected the situation would have been different. But the given situation is crystal clear!

the solution for the rest of the game is to always post combat moves before dice have been rolled.

[Cow]

That is fine.

This game is still won for me. Without China I double the income. The entire map is coming. 1000 TUV advantage does not lie. I am not going to lose USA. Maybe I lose London for a bit. Then how do you win?  Volgograd and Egypt? Good luck.

[Cow]

My Russia bomber is in Russia. So be it.

GL on London. USA owns more stuff than Germany Even after this round. You killed one round of naval purchases. :golfclap:

[Cow]

You should have stuck to your strategy. Attack Russia, hold egypt and try to win that way.

You are playing the Europe map now. USA makes 90 a round. ANZAC is in this game as well.  Russia is richer. You get Japan units that cannot be replaced. Then you have to deal with UK Pacific.

Good luck getting enough VCs to win.

[Cow]

The sad thing is, you could have had a good attack on Russia. Japan had the units available to make it hard for me to hold Egypt or to take it out right. The VC win was possible for you. Since you passed on it, I been stalling out until ANZAC and UK PAC rolls up. Also the longer the game goes the better since I make double your income. Does not matter what losses I incur along the way. You have to consistently kill double what you produce.

[gamerman01]

Cow, you know you’re far ahead and victory is assured, which is why I don’t understand your shenanigans with changing a combat move after rolling combat dice.  As you’ve been saying for awhile, you can just throw units at the Axis until you wear them down and win.  And also as you said, you lose 1 round of naval purchases - big whoop.  So why the under-the-table move?

Sounds like you’ve accepted it finally (to take back the bombing move, I think it was), so play on and wrap up this game, gentlemen.  Didn’t even have to look at the map for this one.

[Cow]

Eh sometimes you just forget to move that one unit to end an already finished game. Now I am stuck wasting my time.

Sad thing is I am the axis in several of my other games and things are looking great. I so want to concede to drop boldfresh rating for making me literally have to take 3 capitals to win.

You guys should just have judges step in and rule for the allies. Like instead of 3 capitals make it something ridiculous for the allies to win like all the pacific vcs plus, russia, egypt, volgograd, novgorod, london, and washington.

Then I could just do that.  instead of go another 8 rounds.

[Cow]

Seriously who makes someone take all 3 capitals?

[gamerman01]

He explicitly said he will probably quit after you take one.

If you look at my recent game with Bold, he drug it out against me too.  I only took Rome before he resigned.  I know it smacks of poor sportsmanship, but he just really hates to quit until he thinks he truly has 0% chance I guess.

Do what I did - finish him off, and don’t play him again.  Surprised you accepted the match with him in the first place, so in a way, you deserve it.  Anyway, you are implicitly agreeing to play by the G40 rulebook every time you play a league game, and the rulebook says Allies don’t win until they’ve taken and held all 3 capitals for a round.  If you wanted different victory conditions, that’s allowed in league, but you needed to agree to it before the game started.  So finish what you started, Cow.  You agreed to these victory conditions.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

He explicitly said he will probably quit after you take one.

If you look at my recent game with Bold, he drug it out against me too.  I only took Rome before he resigned.  I know it smacks of poor sportsmanship, but he just really hates to quit until he thinks he truly has 0% chance I guess.

Do what I did - finish him off, and don’t play him again.  Surprised you accepted the match with him in the first place, so in a way, you deserve it.  Anyway, you are implicitly agreeing to play by the G40 rulebook every time you play a league game, and the rulebook says Allies don’t win until they’ve taken and held all 3 capitals for a round.  If you wanted different victory conditions, that’s allowed in league, but you needed to agree to it before the game started.  So finish what you started, Cow.  You agreed to these victory conditions.

I don’t know how else to put it.  I will not require 3 capitals to fall.  But I want to at least do the japan move and see how the dice treat it.  Cow has had incredible luck in this game to get this map to where it is, why am I not allowed to roll dice to see if I can get lucky then resign?  Cow has been saying how he was putting this on Ai anyway so it is clear he didn’t see the z95 attack at that time.  Post all combat moves b4 dice are rolled the rest of the way if u want to play this way cow.  U cheated and I didn’t even call you out on it be cuz it’s a waste of time.  Play it out and put all powers but russia on Ai after this usa move like you said.you would and let’s see what happens.

I have been playing a friendly game with you… thought it went quite well until you pulled this silly shenanigans as gamer appropriately called it.  Let’s just play a couple more rounds and see what happens - I have very little chance to get lucky at this point but if I get as lucky as you did in Egypt I could have a chance.

[boldfresh]

I only went long enough against gamer to take a reasonable shot on a large chunk of Russian army.  When it didn’t go well enough ( ie not upper 1percent) I resigned.  I don’t see why this is so unconscionable especially when u got so luck earlier in the game twice cow.