13L G40 NT Arathorn (Axis) vs. Infrastructure (Allies +13)

[gamerman01]

@Infrastructure:

If me not declaring war with france truly yruly affected your german turn, explain to me what you would have done different if france had declared war on japan?

Couple thoughts on this.  First, the burden should not be on your opponent, who did not make a mistake but denied your request on the basis that the next turn had been done and dice had been rolled.
Second, Arathorn said he could explain it after Russia goes.
Third thought, isn’t this all about a French destroyer that could block an invasion of India?  It is not hard to believe that such a thing could affect the German turn - how aggressive the Axis player wants to be, anticipating that he will be able to take India.  If he allows you now to make a retroactive DOW that blocks off India from falling on this Japan turn, it is not unbelievable that he would have wanted to handle Germany differently

If you consider that a tactical error you are incorrect.  it was a human error.  If you want a win more than a good game the way it was meant to play out.  Then say that now, so i dont waste more of my time.

Type of error does not matter.  When I have a unit on the other side of the board that I don’t usually have, and I forget to move it, I can’t expect my opponent to allow me to move it later 100% of the time.

But this is a tough one.  What it comes down to, though, is that Infrastructure “took his finger off the queen” (chess analogy).  It is common practice in league play to allow changes/edits to your opponent even after he takes his finger off the queen.  But once the next player starts making his move and especially if he has rolled any dice, he has no obligation, not even a gentlemanly one, to grant retroactive changes.  He starts making his move based on the set of facts, the board situation, that is presented him at the beginning of his turn.
Now it would be really nice of Arathorn to grant the change and re-do his Germany turn, but he is under no obligation to do so.  (I haven’t looked at your map or his German turn)  And it is not cheap for him to deny your request.

I have been burned by neglecting to declare war against Japan with France before (allowing the Japanese to ignore my French destroyer the next turn).  You only make that mistake once.

[arathorn]

I think you made the right assessment Gamerman.

Are we continuing Infrastructure?
I could have given you the 2nd bump today, but haven’t done it.

[Major Major]

2 things to say.

Know this anyone who reads this thread;  I would and will always allow an opponent to redo a move like this.  I find it ridiculous and repulsive not to.

Everything arathorn(not even close to deserving the name of that or any Numenorean) has said makes it clear he knows that I made a small mental slip that will cost me the game and he would rather have that win then truly defeat me.  So when I lose this game I will have no distaste in my mouth as I did not lose against a worthy opponent.

[Major Major]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
                  Russians take Korea from Japanese
            17 infantry moved from Amur to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
                  Russians take Korea from Japanese
            17 infantry moved from Amur to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese

Combat - Russians
            Trigger Russians Conquer Japanese Territory By Mongolia: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Mongolia_May_Change_To_Russians_Control_Switch attached to Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns moved from Amur to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Amur to Yenisey
            1 fighter moved from Yenisey to Timguska
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kansu
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kansu
            1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai
            1 aaGun moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 aaGun and 10 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            Russians undo move 1.
            Russians undo move 2.
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 infantry placed in Russia
            Russians undo move 1.
            Russians undo move 1.
            Russians undo move 1.
            1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 infantry placed in Russia
            Russians undo move 5.
            Russians undo move 4.
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            Russians undo move 4.
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,5,5,6,6,6
            Russians collect 39 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 39 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Timguska: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Yenisey: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[boldfresh]

@Infrastructure:

2 things to say.

Know this anyone who reads this thread;  I would and will always allow an opponent to redo a move like this.  I find it ridiculous and repulsive not to.

Everything arathorn(not even close to deserving the name of that or any Numenorean) has said makes it clear he knows that I made a small mental slip that will cost me the game and he would rather have that win then truly defeat me.  So when I lose this game I will have no distaste in my mouth as I did not lose against a worthy opponent.

infra, i can say that Arathorn is worthy of the title, and i think that he almost certainly would have granted your request had you asked nicely.  when you are the one in the wrong, it almost never pays to demand that things be done.

[arathorn]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 3 destroyers and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
            3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries, 8 infantry and 6 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

[arathorn]

I need scramble orders for sz39 (India)

You can scramble 2 ftrs and 1 tact.

I have 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 fighter there.

[arathorn]

I have now rolled all the battles except for India. (see attached file)

I will now roll the battle as if you did not scramble, as scrambling would not cause any significant losses to the fleet, and your planes can do more damage against my ground units, giving you a hope of retaking India.

Should you want to scramble instead, I will reroll both battles. Just let me know if you want to scramble.

[arathorn]

File

beforeindia.tsvg

[arathorn]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 3 destroyers and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
            3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries, 8 infantry and 6 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in India
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 1 fighter; British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; UK_Pacific defend with 1 factory_major
                Japanese captures 24PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
                Japanese converts factory_major into different units
                Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 4 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 tactical_bombers moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from India to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 fighters moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            3 artilleries moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            3 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 battleship, 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            3 destroyers and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 artillery placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 58 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs

[arathorn]

The map posted is the valid map if you decided to not scramble.
As said, should you want to scramble instead, 1 or more planes, let me know, and I will immediately reroll the sz battle and then the India battle, and do my NCM over right away. Should be only minor tweaks.

[Major Major]

I indeed would have scrambled the tact bomber.

But I must say that the first round of dice minus your bombardments and my tact should stand.
If you disagree lets ask gamerman or jen for a decision.

[arathorn]

Then we reroll from scratch, it’s as simple as that. I’m surprised you even would suggest what you did.

[arathorn]

Here is The India Battle. Now I will Edit the other map according to these results.

indiabattle.tsvg

[arathorn]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 artillery, 3 destroyers and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
            3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries, 8 infantry and 6 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Kwangtung
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in India
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                ANZAC defend with 1 fighter; British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; UK_Pacific defend with 1 factory_major
                Japanese captures 24PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
                Japanese converts factory_major into different units
                Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 4 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 tactical_bombers moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from India to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from 43 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 fighters moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            3 artilleries moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Jehol to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            3 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 battleship, 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            3 destroyers and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 artillery placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 58 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangsi: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 39 Sea Zone: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangsi: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangsi: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 39 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Japanese owned units to: battleship = 1
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to India: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[arathorn]

I have now edited the original map that had no scramble to the correct result from the India battle where you indeed did scramble the tactical.

As you can see in the file with only the sz battle and India battle, it is now correct.

[Major Major]

@Boldfresh:

@Infrastructure:

2 things to say.

Know this anyone who reads this thread;  I would and will always allow an opponent to redo a move like this.  I find it ridiculous and repulsive not to.

Everything arathorn(not even close to deserving the name of that or any Numenorean) has said makes it clear he knows that I made a small mental slip that will cost me the game and he would rather have that win then truly defeat me.  So when I lose this game I will have no distaste in my mouth as I did not lose against a worthy opponent.

infra, i can say that Arathorn is worthy of the title, and i think that he almost certainly would have granted your request had you asked nicely.  when you are the one in the wrong, it almost never pays to demand that things be done.

Bold,

I do not beg and I would never consider making someone beg when it was obvious what they meant to do.  Especially when nothing I could have done with germany would have affected the what they had chose to do.

[arathorn]

@Infrastructure:

@Boldfresh:

@Infrastructure:

2 things to say.

Know this anyone who reads this thread;�  I would and will always allow an opponent to redo a move like this.�  I find it ridiculous and repulsive not to.

Everything arathorn(not even close to deserving the name of that or any Numenorean) has said makes it clear he knows that I made a small mental slip that will cost me the game and he would rather have that win then truly defeat me.�  So when I lose this game I will have no distaste in my mouth as I did not lose against a worthy opponent.

infra, i can say that Arathorn is worthy of the title, and i think that he almost certainly would have granted your request had you asked nicely.�  when you are the one in the wrong, it almost never pays to demand that things be done.

Bold,

I do not beg and I would never consider making someone beg when it was obvious what they meant to do.  Especially when nothing I could have done with germany would have affected the what they had chose to do.

First off, I am sorry you feel this way Infrastructure. I have nothing against you, and as everybody else has said when they saw the map, they can understand perfectly how your moves could influence how Germany would set the pace in Europe as the map was when I started it.

I offered an explanation after Russia’s move, but you attacked me instead, and you’ve made several very strange accusations.

I hope we can continue and finish this game in a good way. Just because I said no to your previous request, does not mean that I will say no to other requests you may have in the future.

Yours,
The Numenorean

[seth4god]

For what it’s worth Infrastructure, I do see how the situation in the Pacific could impact the pace of play your opponent (the Numenorean) would choose to press. Yeah, sure there’s not really much what Germany could do right now that would tactically impact what Japan does and vice versa. But strategically it’s a whole other ball game.

I do it all the time myself. If one half of the board is struggling, I might press more on the other side to either draw some heat to that side and/or try to pick up the slack.

As far as all the snide remarks and comments, you’re not going to win yourself many friends by launching personal attacks on someone that many (including myself) see as an honest, fair, and worthy opponent. Rather, you’re probably at greater risk of alienating others by pursuing the personal attacks than you are of swaying players to your view. I recently had a disagreement with someone and although I thought (and still think) I’m in the right, that doesn’t mean I should stoop to personal attacks just because the ruling was not in my favor.

I’ve found you to be a pretty fair opponent in our game to date and I also have a lot of respect for Arathorn as a player and as a person. You can still disagree with him if you wish. But the snide comments are unbecoming of you.