13L G40.2 AllWeNeedIsLove (allies +12) vs Stalingradski

[allweneedislove]

usa got 2 hits. what is your ool?

[Stalingradski]

2 destroyers -

[allweneedislove]

you got 2 hits and sunk my carrier.

i got 2 more hits.

what is ool?

[Stalingradski]

tac and destroyer

[allweneedislove]

need ool in sz42
usa got 2 hits

[Stalingradski]

Tip, destroyer.

I set myself up with 22 pips and 23 pips with my two fleets… man, you play an aggressive Allies. I didn’t think you’d hit either one. Now, I know better.

[allweneedislove]

this is a disaster.
need another ool

[gamerman01]

@Stalingradski:

I set myself up with 22 pips and 23 pips with my two fleets… man, you play an aggressive Allies. I didn’t think you’d hit either one. Now, I know better.

Taking a 58% shot on half your fleet isn’t particularly aggressive - it’s smart.
Axis should never give Allies a 50% shot on a big stack in the first several rounds.
Axis units are more valuable than Allied ones
Taking down half your carriers, and effectively half your fleet, is definitely the thing to do at this point.

It appears you are very fortunate as you are dodging a major bullet here

Axis can’t replace their powerhouse front line.  That would be Japanese carriers, fighters, and men

Karl gave me a 50/50 shot on half his German army 2 spaces from Moscow.  Now am I going to take a 50/50 now, or wait for him to squash me with 99% odds in 2 turns?
He was surprised I attacked.
Moscow was saved.

You’ll learn.

[Stalingradski]

Did you really just say that?

I’ll take this private to preserve everyone’s dignity.

[gamerman01]

What was so offensive?

If I don’t say anything, you’d probably keep offering up juicy targets for the Allies like that in future games
You were surprised he was “aggressive” and I was giving you a different perspective on it from my experienced viewpoint.

I have consistently won 80-90% of my A&A games through the years, and I was offering some helpful insights.
If that makes you angry, I think it just hurts your pride to have someone comment on a mistake you made.

[Stalingradski]

Talking about this publicly does nothing to help your cause. That’s part of the issue.

[gamerman01]

I don’t have a cause!

I just like to comment on strategy like most everyone else on the site!

If you don’t want any comments or suggestions for improvement, just say so and I’m gone!

I get it - your pride was hurt.  Just admit it and move on

[gamerman01]

OK, I’m sorry that my comments made you feel inferior - that is not what was intended.

I was only trying to help your game, and when I said “you’ll learn”, I only meant confidence in your ability to move along the learning curve quickly like a lot of us other good players are doing.

Don’t assume the worst of people when in doubt - it strains potential relationships.

[Stalingradski]

Gamerman - I posted privately to you - please don’t continue to make assumptions about me publicly. I’ve done you the honor of having a conversation with you respectfully in another place.

I’m an easy fella to get along with. I took what you said constructively, and yes, I’ll learn from what’s going on in the game.

[gamerman01]

@Stalingradski:

please don’t continue to make assumptions about me publicly.

The only assumption about you I made publicly was that perhaps your pride was hurt, which is a logical assumption given your response.  Is there another assumption I made about you publicly that I’m missing?

Can you confirm or deny that you pride was hurt?
I mean, if my assumption was correct, why are you reprimanding me for “making assumptions about you publicly”?

[Stalingradski]

Ok, you win. Let’s make this public  :oops:

Sorry allweneedislove for this commercial interruption.

Here’s the deal - I’m good with the learning opportunity. I have a lot to learn. You and allweneedislove are the top competition here, and the lessons learned are great ones, and make us all better players. I completely get it that destroying Axis capital units early can have a huge effect - in my play experience, I see a little more risk averse play based on odds, and don’t expect my opponent to make wave attacks on what look to me to be unassailable (or suicidal) positions. I’m learning that my reasoning is flawed. I don’t have a pride issue, or an inferiority issue. I know what I am… a B+ player who sometimes rises to the level of A- on a good day, and loves to learn the game.

My problem was with the tonality of saying to someone you don’t know “You’ll learn” in a blog format. My opinion is that a phrase like that is deserving of an emoticon so that it won’t be misinterpreted. I made my case to you privately.

[Stalingradski]

allweneed - how many hits did you get?

And sorry for the crazy dice. This game is becoming a roller coaster ride for both of us.

[boldfresh]

on the flipside, when the allies make an attack like this and it goes poorly (as it has here) it can cripple them the remainder of the game.  big fleet battles are notoriously mega dicey for me.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia
                  Americans take Tunisia from Italians
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Queensland to 42 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 5 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Egypt to defend against the attack in 98 Sea Zone
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 2 transports
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/5 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the Italians and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians , 1 destroyer owned by the Americans , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 transports in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 transports in 98 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    2 transports owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Italians: 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 2 transports
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 46 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 46 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 46 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                ANZAC loiter and taunt with ; Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 5 submarines
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/5 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                    1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 5 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/7 hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 1 :  4/8 hits
                    4 fighters owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 42 Sea Zone
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 :  5/7 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans , 1 cruiser owned by the Japanese , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -53
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese forced to land in Java

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 4 destroyers, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 4 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Western United States
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Persia

Place Units - Americans
            3 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States
            2 destroyers, 3 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 53 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Caroline Islands : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Queensland : 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Guam : 1 airfield
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Hawaiian Islands : 1 airfield, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    46 Sea Zone : 2 submarines
    26 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 4 destroyers, 3 submarines and 1 transport
    10 Sea Zone : 2 destroyers, 3 submarines and 1 transport
    54 Sea Zone : 4 destroyers and 3 transports
    55 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 5 submarines
    Central United States : 4 aaGuns, 1 factory_major and 1 mech_infantry
    Eastern United States : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour
    Morocco : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Syria : 1 fighter
    Tunisia : 1 flag, 1 armour
    92 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Persia : 1 bomber
    91 Sea Zone : 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 43 / 53
    Russians : 34 / 34
    Japanese : 63 / 68
    Americans : 52 / 73
    Chinese : 1 / 3
    British : 32 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 14
    Italians : 18 / 24
    ANZAC : 11 / 33
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang
                  Chinese take Sikang from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 2 PUs total

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Tsinghai : 1 infantry
    Sikang : 1 infantry
    Burma : 1 fighter

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 43 / 53
    Russians : 34 / 34
    Japanese : 62 / 68
    Americans : 52 / 73
    Chinese : 2 / 2
    British : 32 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 14
    Italians : 18 / 24
    ANZAC : 11 / 33
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0