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CWO Marc

I for one would prefer HBG to keep up with the injection molded sets. […] From a gamer/collector stand point, the 3D pieces are actually more expensive. So I fervently hope that HBG keeps making the sets because that’s where my interest lies.

Agreed. I’d say both methods of production have their valid uses, but they serve different purposes. Injection moulding is the best approach for pieces that, in principle, people will want to acquire in large numbers – basically, conventional combat units that get used a lot in a standard game. 3D-printing is better suited for very specialized units that aren’t needed in large numbers, like the A-bombs of HBG’s “Going Nuclear” set and the new Nimitz-class carrier it introduced for a time-travel scenario derived from the movie The Final Countdown.

John Brown

@CWO:

@knp7765:

I for one would prefer HBG to keep up with the injection molded sets. […] From a gamer/collector stand point, the 3D pieces are actually more expensive. So I fervently hope that HBG keeps making the sets because that’s where my interest lies.

Agreed.Â I’d say both methods of production have their valid uses, but they serve different purposes.Â Injection moulding is the best approach for pieces that, in principle, people will want to acquire in large numbers – basically, conventional combat units that get used a lot in a standard game.Â 3D-printing is better suited for very specialized units that aren’t needed in large numbers, like the A-bombs of HBG’s “Going Nuclear” set and the new Nimitz-class carrier it introduced for a time-travel scenario derived from the movie The Final Countdown.

This is what Coach has told me, as well. Special units will be done in 3D with special rules and the normal things will be in the sets. This has been his plan for some time. :-)

CWO Marc

@John:

This is what Coach has told me, as well. Special units will be done in 3D with special rules and the normal things will be in the sets. This has been his plan for some time.

Good. Very sensible.

jwo1984

@LHoffman:

@toblerone77:

Just a question for HBG. Is HBG moving more towards 3D printing rather than plastic injection molding in it’s product line?Â If so are you move toward more frequent smaller 3D, rather than larger and less frequent injection molded set? Or will you begin going more toward larger more frequent 3D sets ?

As far as 3D printing has come, it still seems like plastic injection still has better overall quality. The 3D pieces look coarse. Almost pixelated in 3D form.

You can easily see in these photos:Â

http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Going-Nuclear-Expansion-Set-B-29-Atom-Bomb-markers_p_1880.html
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Me-323-Gigant-3D-Printed-Aircraft-Set_p_1881.html
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/H-44-German-Super-Battleship-Set-3d-Printed_p_1981.html

The detail seems to be much better than OOB and as good as HBG pieces injection molding, however it is the surface texture (as a painter) that concerns me.

Here is one of Tall Paul’s APD destroyer/transports from another thread. They are 3D printed from Shapeways and you can really see the surface texture in this hi-res photo. Granted, it may not be quite as visible at distance, but it is pretty apparent to me. Looks like it was eaten by acid.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26127.msg1287679#msg1287679

I guess this means I am voting to continue major set production with injection molding until 3D printing can be done with greater resolution, as it were. That is… if I had a vote.Â :roll:

I totally agree with you Hoffman…and am in the same boat. These 3D pieces do look coarse in texture…and tall paul’s destroyer…well painted…but up close looks like it was sunken and under the sea with coral for years! Im on the fence…i like the variety of units, but I dry brush all my pieces and these textures would pick up all the highlights in the wrong way. Wasn’t there something on shapeways… about two different types of plastic finishes you can order for the piece? with quite a difference in cost?

CWO Marc

@jwo1984:

Wasn’t there something on shapeways… about two different types of plastic finishes you can order for the piece? with quite a difference in cost?

There was a discussion along those lines of page 12 of this thread:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33379.165

Tall Paul

@jwo1984:

@LHoffman:

@toblerone77:

Just a question for HBG. Is HBG moving more towards 3D printing rather than plastic injection molding in it’s product line?� If so are you move toward more frequent smaller 3D, rather than larger and less frequent injection molded set? Or will you begin going more toward larger more frequent 3D sets ?

As far as 3D printing has come, it still seems like plastic injection still has better overall quality. The 3D pieces look coarse. Almost pixelated in 3D form.

You can easily see in these photos:�

http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Going-Nuclear-Expansion-Set-B-29-Atom-Bomb-markers_p_1880.html
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Me-323-Gigant-3D-Printed-Aircraft-Set_p_1881.html
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/H-44-German-Super-Battleship-Set-3d-Printed_p_1981.html

The detail seems to be much better than OOB and as good as HBG pieces injection molding, however it is the surface texture (as a painter) that concerns me.

Here is one of Tall Paul’s APD destroyer/transports from another thread. They are 3D printed from Shapeways and you can really see the surface texture in this hi-res photo. Granted, it may not be quite as visible at distance, but it is pretty apparent to me. Looks like it was eaten by acid.
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=26127.msg1287679#msg1287679

I guess this means I am voting to continue major set production with injection molding until 3D printing can be done with greater resolution, as it were. That is… if I had a vote.� :roll:

––JWO & others,
I feel that I should explain a few things in order that everyone understands about 3D printing from SHAPEWAYS.
----YES, the APD destroyer transport ended up looking like it was dipped in an acid bath! But that’s simply because after 5 different paint colors a dull coat finish was applied and that is what unfortunately caused the unfortunate “acid bath” look,…not the quality of the unit beforehand.
Before the APD was painted it was UNBELIEVABLY DETAILED. It was our painting mistake that messed it up.
----I can’t stress this point enough. When orderring units from SHAPEWAYS you basically get what you pay for! If you want high-quality, unbelievably detailed units, you must order them in F.U.D. (Frosted Ultra Detail) plastic. Yes, they cost more in F.U.D., about $2.00-$3.00 each usually.
––If you want to only pay .50 each for the units, YES, you will get a much less detailed unit with rough surfaces and sometimes a “pock mark” or “washbord” look. Like I said,…you get what you pay for as far as quality terms.
----I think that if everyone on this forum that has ever orderred anything from SHAPEWAYS voiced their opinions they would agree with the above formula:
units orderred in FROSTED ULTRA DETAIL plastic are awesomely detailed, but WORTH THE EXTRA COST if you want nice looking units! I know that everything that I’ve orderred, from whatever designer, that was produced in F.U.D. I have been totally pleased with!

––And if you find something you like,…but it’s in the wrong size (proportion/scale), almost all of the designers will re-draw the unit in the scale you want. I can’t tell you how many times a designer re-drew and aircraft from 1/700 to 1/500 for me. It’s simply a matter of time for the designer.

Tall Paul

I totally agree with you Hoffman…and am in the same boat. These 3D pieces do look coarse in texture…and tall paul’s destroyer…well painted…but up close looks like it was sunken and under the sea with coral for years! Im on the fence…i like the variety of units, but I dry brush all my pieces and these textures would pick up all the highlights in the wrong way. Wasn’t there something on shapeways… about two different types of plastic finishes you can order for the piece? with quite a difference in cost?

LHoffman

Hey Paul! That is awesome. Thanks for the response. I knew you had a good deal of personal experience with Shapeways and I was hoping you would throw your two cents in. It is encouraging to know that the quality is better than some of the pictures would indicate.

Tall Paul

Lucas & Others,

@LHoffman:

Hey Paul! That is awesome. Thanks for the response. I knew you had a good deal of personal experience with Shapeways and I was hoping you would throw your two cents in. It is encouraging to know that the quality is better than some of the pictures would indicate.

––All I can say is: “F.U.D. is a wonderful thing!”
Tall Paul

John Brown

Does anybody know the rules for the British Swordfish and Barracuda pieces?

I know their used for Naval targets, but that is all I remember.

Thanks,

John

LHoffman

@John:

Does anybody know the rules for the British Swordfish and Barracuda pieces?

I know their used for Naval targets, but that is all I remember.

Thanks,

John

Are you talking house rules? Otherwise seems they would just use tac rules.

John Brown

@LHoffman:

@John:

Does anybody know the rules for the British Swordfish and Barracuda pieces?

I know their used for Naval targets, but that is all I remember.

Thanks,

John

Are you talking house rules? Otherwise seems they would just use tac rules.

Yes, HBG had some house rules on a wargamereport.com, but it is down now, and I haven’t finished jotting all the rules, like I should have, and wanted to know if any of you had written down these rules? :-)

LHoffman

@John:

Yes, HBG had some house rules on a wargamereport.com, but it is down now, and I haven’t finished jotting all the rules, like I should have, and wanted to know if any of you had written down these rules? :-)

Sorry John, I do not.

John Brown

@LHoffman:

@John:

Yes, HBG had some house rules on a wargamereport.com, but it is down now, and I haven’t finished jotting all the rules, like I should have, and wanted to know if any of you had written down these rules? :-)

Sorry John, I do not.

No problem! Coach or someone on here is bound to have them. :-)

HBG

@John:

@LHoffman:

@John:

Yes, HBG had some house rules on a wargamereport.com, but it is down now, and I haven’t finished jotting all the rules, like I should have, and wanted to know if any of you had written down these rules? :-)

Sorry John, I do not.

No problem! Coach or someone on here is bound to have them. :-)

I will look for them.

John Brown

@coachofmany:

@John:

@LHoffman:

@John:

Yes, HBG had some house rules on a wargamereport.com, but it is down now, and I haven’t finished jotting all the rules, like I should have, and wanted to know if any of you had written down these rules? :-)

Sorry John, I do not.

Thanks Coach! :-)

No problem! Coach or someone on here is bound to have them. :-)

I will look for them.

John Brown

Hey guys! I wanted to show you some pictures of HBG 3D printed units, and the quality of them.

These are high quality, and you can paint them, but if you don’t paint them, they give you options to choose colors, on most of these pieces.

If you haven’t bought any, they are really cool.

Some of the sets comes with markers, some come with units, but they all come with free rules that you can add to your game.

You can use them in Global 1936, 1939 and Global 1940.

If you don’t won’t to use the rules, you don’t have to use them. Use your own house rules.

I took a few pictures of all the pieces I have purchased. The only ones not on here are my German Me-323 Transport Planes and German Do-X Seaplanes.

These will be under my thread, “John Brown’s Completed Painted German Forces.”

I hope you all enjoy these pictures, and go look at Historical Board Gaming’s, now, 22 3D printed sets. :-D

John Brown

Here are the British Habakukk carriers. There are short and long ones. There is the German H-44 Super Battleships, one of my favorites, and the 1047 Dutch Battle cruisers. Awesome stuff! :-D

John Brown

Here is a picture with OOB pieces next to the 3D printed ships, to kind of give you an idea what they look like, next to each other. :-D

John Brown

Here are the US B-29 bombers that came with bombs. This is came from the Nuclear Set.

The rest of these are French, Italian, Romanian and Dutch sea planes. :-D

John Brown

The next picture also has OOB German pieces next to 2 kinds of WW1 French tanks, as well as the WW1 German tank and German Thor launchers with long barrels as well as short barrels. If you notice, I put an HBG Tiger Tank and OOB Panther Tank to show you the size these are.

These are really cool! :-D

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