XDAP-2: Onward! Defrosted Tuna Team vs Death by Dice

[ghr2]

the OOL changes how the battle rolls, if your goign to change the OOL after the battle was resolved, then you have to redo the entire battle, or just everything from the first defensive roll.

[ghr2]

@ghr2:

the OOL changes how the battle rolls, if your going to change the OOL after the battle was resolved, then you have to redo the entire battle, or just everything from the first defensive roll.

cause technically, the defender needs to have the casualties selected before he sees his/her dice

[Noll]

I bet we will need 12 more days to go through half of round7 now.

[rgp44]

If you want an opinion from the peanut gallery, i think Germany trades the hit on the CV for a DD and the planes go back on the carrier, US gets to retreat 1 sub out of that combat to account for extra rolls by dead DD.

[Noll]

Yesterday Canuck was posting a reply then he changed his mind. Notice how I posted 6 minutes after his reply.

[Noll]

Waiting OOL or Italy7 - Day 2

[Canuck12]

Keep your fcuking panties on Noll, I’m at a family wedding.

That’s a little bit more important than a fucking board-game. And with due respect to my team mates and other opponent your attitude and shenanigans are making this game more of a burden.

Congratulations you posted 6 minutes after me. I’ve got more important things to do right now. I’ll get to it as soon as I can. Relax, it’s still just a game.

[Canuck12]

Noll YOU missed the OOL.

The OOL doesnt change any dice. We use the same dice, and change the order in-whicht hey are assigned.

I appreciate the opinion from rgp44. He’s right.

Because the way you suggested doing it you win either way. You’ve structured it that way because you feel like you’ve been unfairly disadvantaged in this game by laws of probability.

So my options are:

1. Take the rediculous OOL and allow my planes to be killed by infantry and my fleet to go undefended.

2. You get to REPLAY the USA to compensate for a sub-par dice roll.

You win either way. And you structured it that way.

You got bad dice with the USA so you intentionally fucked the OOL so that the Brits could easily mop up and now that I’ve called you on it you want to redo the USA. Either way you were going to take out that fleet, rules and fairness be damned.

Redo the UK. I will not accept a re-roll of dice just because you jumped the gun, ignored the rules and made up a goofy OOL for your oppenent that massively advantaged us.

[Gargantua]

Noll, stop being such an Italian! People have LIVES past AA.org.

As for what the course of action is going to be - PER THE TOURNAMENT MODERATOR :D

The culprit of the problem was that the Americans selected casualties without respecting the ability of their opponent to choose.  In order to minimize the size of the repair that needs to be made, I have to agree that the American turn stands, and that the game should be -RESTARTED- at the British turn.

If there are any questions or appeals you can PM me personally, but I think that’s incredibly clear. Proceed.

[ghr2]

I just don’t like the defender (after seeing how the rolls went) gets to change how the losses were applied.  That’s all.

[Noll]

I pm’d you Gargantua. Won’t add anything more.

[Noll]

I have to add, the game has to be “restarted” in a turn where 1inf 2rtl killed 3air units (7% chance?)

huh… but I have to keep the bad dice :)

[ghr2]

Just make sure that for every battle now, ask the OOL.

[Noll]

Asking a change of OOL without a re-roll on the knowledge of 2 fighters missing for 3 rounds (6@3 all misses) is a cheap move.

Keeping the rolls with 1 less units for Germany starting round1 is also a cheap move.

[Guest]

@ghr2:

Just make sure that for every battle now, ask the OOL.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27306.60

[Noll]

In fact we just re-rolled everything :/

[ghr2]

Clearly we are in a pickle.

[Most Holy]

Someone wake me when it’s time for Italy to buy Infantry please.

[ghr2]

@Most:

Someone wake me when it’s time for Italy to buy Infantry please.

At this rate, good night Rip Van Winkle

[Noll]

I want to post my reasoning here instead of pming people.

Q: Noll, why did you damage a carrier instead of asking OOL?
A: For two reasons:
First: as they urged us to finish the game I wanted to play fastly. I even wanted to bomb Japan’s IC in Malay and decided to NOT just to have not to ask if he wanted to intercept with his 1 fighter.
Second: my attack power was enough to guarantee a hit on the carrier around round 2 or 3. So I tought the most wise thing for Japan was maximizinv fhe damage to my fleet (by taking the hit on he carrier) and to try to save 2 german air by landind them in normandy (and also protect normandy froma landing as Germany didnt had a counter attack for it.

Q: what happen next?
A: after round 1 I basically missed all my hits for 3 rounds, resukting in a disastrohs -48 tuv for usa. But during British turn I had an unexected turn of luck: I tried a landing in normandy with 1 inf and 2 artiklery against 2 fighters and 1 tac. Bomber. I scored enoigh hits to killl all his air due to sheer luck.

Q: and then?
A: then Canuck after seeinv hiw the turn went asked for a different order of losses and provides me to an edited save file of USA’s turn where he keeps my and his rolls (even though that in the event he killed 1dd or 1ss in the first round he had to roll 1 less dice for 3 rounds) and ask me to re-do the british turn. I don’t agree and here’s my reasoning:

The average score of the american battle should have crippled that carrier. The defender should not know that “I will miss” enough rounds to keep the carrier intact. Also he shouldnt even know I might kill 3 air with 3 land units.

Q: So what did you propose?
A: To rsstart the game from the OOL assignment and roll from there to be fair. So I rolled the battle using the forum roller and it appears I s ored round2 enough hits to cripple the carrier anyway.