@Imperious:
If France was able to beat Germany, somethings really wrong with the game!
If you got a link to any you tube video that shows how France wins, id really like to see it. :-D
Those were my thoughts, I assumed France would lose to Germany within the 1st or 2nd turns. I have no youtube video showing France surviving, on the contrary I’ve seen about 3 videos where Paris is taken turn 1 and Germany obviously is ascendant in Western Europe. That is not surprising, and I would not like it any other way, but my question is does France usually weaken Germany at all in the attack? Is France’s inclusion beneficial for the Allies? Of course the answer would be subjective to each person’s playing style, but I would love to hear everyone’s opinion on it. But yes, you are right, if France can defeat Germany, then they game won’t last very long and the Axis are doomed right from the get go, as I believe Germany is more or less the core of the Axis, certainly Italy can’t redeem the situation, and Japan is too far away to save the Axis in Europe.
@Ruanek:
Germany is in a position to take out France (Paris, especially) in its first turn, which is before the first French turn (and the first British turn, and they have a few units in France). France can survive if they get very lucky on the die rolls or if Germany for some reason doesn’t commit enough forces to Paris, but even then they’ll probably be taken out before their second turn. It’s really rare.
They actually make it a bit more difficult for the Allies, in my opinion, because now when they liberate Paris they have to make sure they can hold it, or Germany can take it back (especially given all its factories near it) and get all of France’s money.
France does well only out of the bad luck/strategy of the German player.
Very well. I also think the Axis are given a breathing space because Russia and the US are not allowed to attack the Axis until turn 4 and 3, respectively. I think this is more realistic to actual WWII, and it gives Germany and Italy 3 turns to take France and the UK out of the game. If the Germans take Paris, and succeed in Sealion, at the same time the Italians are pushing in Africa, then the Axis will be in a very good position to fight the Russians and Americans. But at the same time, if the Axis’ gamble fails, and France and the UK survive, than their position will be much worse. I’m really liking this new system, in theory of course, I cannot wait to try it out. I just really like how the addition of France opens up many more possibilities, and especially how it has the chance to distract Germany from building a navy, and from giving a quick knock-out blow to Russia. At least this is what I hope will happen.