ABH and Crockett36, (A+100) tutor game
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@crockett36 Why not takeout Ethiopia? Then you don’t have to reinforce Sudan and Kenya. Use 2 trans bring 1 inf + 1 tank from Alexandria and 2 inf from S. Africa + 1 in Sudan + 2 CA for bombard and this is a 95% battle.
Leaving Egypt rather open. I’m concerned because I’ve lost SZ96 1 ftr + 1 tac vs DD…destroyed my game in the Med for a long time. I would leave more behind, and attacking Ethiopia will allow that.
Now there is a wrinkle to the Taranto attack. Bring the transport with 1 guy to take Greece. That way when/if the Germans attack the fleet, and we had to bring up the CV to land the planes (since the UK ftr didn’t die), they have a place to land that is safe. We can “max defend” the SZ97 fleet. But pulls a transport from Ethiopia. Except that the Indian transport should bring 1 inf + 1art to attack. The transport in SZ96 can do double duty. If the attacks go ideally and the CV is not needed, then that transport can run 1 art + inf to Persia. If Greece is needed, then Persia waits a turn (using the guy in W. India to get there in on T2). Not critical because Italy will be contained.
For SZ112, I would pull 1 ftr from the attack to ensure the SZ106 sub is dead. Sure he could scramble… and thus maybe we just avoid that by using only subs, still a 75-25 attack 3:1 odds pretty good. The thing is that killing the German BB is a nice to have, the sub in SZ106 must die so that the transport can be useful. If we don’t use all of our fighters in the BB attack, then we could send the home fleet to Scotland + 2 ftrs and ensure it is safe.
Sealion is a general loser, but we have to ensure we are ok. Too cheap, and Sealion can be a winner. With the 2 ftr bid, and the transport able to bring in tank + inf we should be ok. But that just highlights the importance of SZ106 vs BB.
Overall, I’m surprised we can’t do much better with the UK given the bid. Part of me thinks we should just hunker down in SZ109 with the 2 subs + fleet + ftrs. Kill SZ106 with DD + ftr. Let the extra sub go to SZ96 so that we don’t have to possibly trade a ftr for DD. And wait.
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Agree that Ethiopia is far better option to cripple Italy in Africa on turn 1.
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I am concerned about the adequacy of the Taranto SZ976 force without the CV. Scrambling becomes very tempting with the current forces as the TUV swing is favorable. I would need to do more analysis.
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Scrambling in SZ112 is tempting as the TUV swing is also favorable. I definitely would scramble with 1 fewer UK plane. 3 subs alone is a better choice than 3 subs 3 fighters, but either option gives me a 24% chance of having my Battleship survive.
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SZ 106 is also a risky fight. An added fighter would be so helpful
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DONT do non-combat moves until the combat is resolved. If SZ112 fight goes poorly you might need to move your Atlantic fleet to a safer spot.
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I agree with Surfer that you should have been able to do better given the UK bid. The Europe map doesn’t look much different than if you had 1 fighter in Scotland and 1 art in Sudan that would have accomplished the same objectives for 14 PUs. There was 67 PUs spent without much more advantage gained. I should be looking at the map now and saying “I am in huge trouble” but instead I am thinking that I have a reasonable chance to win the game.
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@arthur-bomber-harris so you’re saying that adding units to the Atlantic is useless given the mobility and availability of the German starting position or units were not placed in the Atlantic correctly or the wrong units were chosen AND placed incorrectly.
Having played several bid games my early opinion is that we ought to let 40 happen and worry about 44.
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@surfer you know I really want those subs to survive. I don’t think I can worry about 106. Plus a fig takes two to get back from Can.
I need the Atlantic to be locked down OR for him to be forced to gamble his air force on it.
I l, post 2nd effort shortly.
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2.21.22britcom2.tsvg
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@crockett36 I won’t call the extra Atlantic bid useless as your subs are going to be helpful in attacking the German battleship and the Italian Med fleet, and then survive on to be a headache in the European theater. The extra UK fighter always is nice and now you have little concern about a Sea Lion attack.
Personally, I would have had 1 UK fighter in Scotland and then used the other 90 PUs to overwhelm Japan in China. It is straightforward to calculate how many forces could threaten Yunnan on J1-J3 and make sure you can stop the potential attacks. Once Japan gives up threatening Yunnan to focus on getting the Money Islands, the Russian support troops in China can either return to Moscow and/or help India, depending on the situation.
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@crockett36 no scramble if those remain your planned attacks.
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I like the Med attacks. I wish there was a way to save the CV, but I don’t see it. Italy will be shut down until US can come in and clean up. I would save the SZ98 transport to land in Persia (or maybe Greece–probably Persia as that is the long term better move).
With these moves I would change the buy. Sealion is essentially dead. Italy contained. So buy factory in Egypt. Allows rapid deployment of units to take remainder to Middle East and Africa here early in the game.
So 1 mic + 1 ftr + 2 inf (or maybe a tank). Since all 5 ftrs will probably live, I might not buy the ftr and thus get a DD + 2 mech which will help defend the fleet and give more African units. -
I’ll post tonight late or tomorrow am
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@crockett36 Well, we have one problem. Defeat Sealion + defend home fleet.
If we divide the ftrs to max the scramble defend at SZ109, then only 3 ftrs are in UK and no other units added:
a) With his 1 transport, 1 tank + 1 inf + 4 ftrs + 5 tac + 2sb, the battle is a 75-25 winner.
b) moving 1 inf from scotland to UK 60-40 winner
c) moving both inf to UK, 50-50.
d) move all to UK, 40-60…
e) move all to UK + 4 ftrs 10-90 (good)
f) all to UK + 5 ftrs 4-96% (better)I would choose e) and use the one ftr…probably the French, and move the fleet to Iceland. 2 SS + 2 sb vs DD+BB+CA +ftr is 20-80 battle.
The move to SZ109 is possible, but invites a Luftwaffe strike. Not a terrible proposition. Max scramble of 4 ftrs (can’t do more because of Sealion above). Lose battle, but trade 4 for 5 planes and Luftwaffe is halved. Plus, the Med fleet lives. The US is in better position to help in Atlantic and UK can make moves in Middle East.
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Defend units from single sb strike in SZ76 by adding 2x DD.
I did consider blocking SZ37 with DD, but bad rolls in SZ76 and 3 transports are dead.Walk to E. Persia
Not sure what is best for BB. Stay as blocker? Unlikely that J wants to J2 DOW, but possible. Probably just move to SZ54.
Would like to reinforce Burma with max units, but J could kill all for 5ish ftrs and a probable positive TUV battle. A problem for J but worse for UK. I would like to move 3 inf from Malaya to Shan State, and to “catch” them next turn, I would put 2 inf + AAA in Burma. Could be killed, but could also kill a few planes, and negative battles early are real problems for Japan.
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double check your sealion math. I need many of my planes to defend the transports against a possible 3 ftr scramble.
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@arthur-bomber-harris Good point. Pulling a ftr + tac to support the CA and the landing would be 45-55 battle vs 3 ftrs (draws go to the Germans) as the bare minimum pull the Germans can try. Using only 1 ftr = 8-92 loser. The loss of the 2 planes affects the above by essentially allowing 1 less ftr for each category, e.g. item e) above now only needs 3 ftrs.
If he tries to pull 3 planes from the invasion to support the landing with more than a coin flip, then just better for us.
Can now put 2 ftrs in Scotland for 5 ftr scramble. More damage to Luftwaffe if they attack.
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I’ll fix Burma. Med looks so good. Don’t think I need planes from India.
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Mechs in London? Or can we go s Africa?
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@crockett36 run the math and see if you need those extra units in London if Germany built all transports on G2 and tried a sealion on G3.
You don’t have to be guaranteed to win the battle, but need to make me lose enough planes that Russia + USA can invade W Europe.
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@crockett36 be careful with Burma as I have 21 planes and 4 ground units that can reach there. I would prefer not doing a J2 DoW but a big stack of units there would be too tempting as India would fall on J3.
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@crockett36 I don’t see it likely that I would want to do a G3 Sealion attack as not only do I have to defeat the London defenders but also have to make sure I have adequate forces to defeat the UK Navy guarding SZ110. I haven’t done the math, but the large bid in Europe makes the numbers heavily skewed against the attack. The OOB game is already unfavorable against Sealion.
What is the purpose of the destroyer in SZ112? It could be killed by the Germans at minimal loss.
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