ok, felt like I had spent more than I had in Pac, but considering what was moved away by US, only 40 ipcs in first 4 turns. But even after a bad Japan DOW, its pretty much game over in Pac.
Japanese fleet can never be out of position in Pac though, at any time it can get to the critical locations. And its easier to defend since it can always block the US.
So whats an appropriate response to your J1? Japan gets 100% odds at a max US fleet in 27 and no reasonable counterattack. And a J2 would still be able to hit a few important islands without fear of any counter attack.
In 55, the odds are almost as good. Perhaps the counter attack there is better and less to gain so most likely Japan wouldnt go for it, if the UK bb is there and every available ship and air is stationed there, but it doesnt really matter since that fleet at 55 cant do anything useful and doesnt help on Allied turn 2.
The only thing I can see to do in Pac, is just hold back a turn and let Japan roam free until T5 or so? Seems like T5 is about the earliest allies can really stack 55 and Caro is not an option before then. UK cant really do anything beyond stack Burma since Japan has so many transports.
Do you have examples of what allies can do in Pac? Or do they just have to position forces in vulnerable spots because Japan is out of position if it attacks and so long term its a bad play?
cant even effectively block 27 with the fleets distributed the way they are, particularly the dd and ca off Johnston
@ksmckay It’s not over in the Pacific. China pretty much can’t be viably finished off, if India lives the first 6-7 rounds it’ll be tough to crack, and the Russians have options in their Siberia factory to pressure Japan.
I’ve been working on a response to my J1 positioning. By stacking the main Hawaiian sea zone and combining that with a 2 sub purchase by UK Pacific, you really can block Japan from expanding in the DEI and beyond for a couple of rounds. Not to mention that Japan will be light on that mainland as well. It looks to be a decent counter. Japan has a few less planes and the mainland is harder to traverse, Japan can’t be in China, in India, in the North and in the ocean all at the same time. Takes coordination between the powers, but together they can put pressure on Japan.
have you played out a game with a J2 attack on 27? Did US try to block at all? I guess US can stick a blocker in 26 to at least prevent japan from taking Johnston. And maybe this is wrong but it seems like in order for allies to punish a J2 in that situation, UK has to keep all its air and boats in pacific rather than going to Africa right? So doesnt that mean Egypt is pretty indefensible? Only way i saw to keep Egypt safe from an all out Italian attack on I2 was to have UK air and pacific transport in play. Similar to how BM3 tends to play out. But if those are needed in pacific for a possible J2 then that seems to make things pretty difficult for allies.
Perhaps none of this is a problem and I just need to let it play out but compared to BM3 it seems like axis are getting some really nice objectives early. Is that because they lose the ability to pummel Russia out the gate?
also, im not giving up or anything. I do feel hopelessly outmatched but its a good learning experience and I will keep trying. But turns are getting pretty complicated, having to think through a lot since I have no prior experience to tell me how certain positions will develop.
@ksmckay Yeah we have, it was quite interesting. I was playing Axis and Kid was playing Allies and we did Pearl Harbor. US triple blocked sz27 and the UK Pac bought 2 subs, which deadzoned all the DEI. I could only safely take Philippines on J2.
With just the Indian tp going to Persia, Egypt should be able to hold if appropriate other moves by UK in Europe.
All good, take your time.
picked wrong casualty after round 1 in Iraq, changing it up and then retreating
@Adam514 will have to edit though as it though as some more dice will get rolled. you can change up your casualty if you want.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 4 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
Combat - Americans
Americans creates battle in territory 38 Sea Zone
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from French Guiana to 90 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 90 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 armour and 1 marine moved from Tunisia to 96 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
1 artillery moved from Algeria to Morocco
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 93 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 32 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Wake Island to 32 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 2 submarines and 2 transports moved from 32 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central America to 66 Sea Zone
1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 66 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 28 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
2 fighters moved from Wake Island to Hawaiian Islands
1 carrier and 1 submarine moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 27 Sea Zone
1 carrier and 3 submarines moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malta to Gibraltar
1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
1 fighter moved from New South Wales to South Australia
1 bomber moved from Egypt to Gibraltar
Place Units - Americans
2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone
2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
2 fighters placed in Western United States
Americans undo move 3.
Americans undo move 2.
2 fighters placed in Western United States
1 fighter placed in Western United States
1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs
Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 70 PUs
Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs
Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Chinese
2 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol
1 fighter moved from Inner Mongolia to Jehol
8 infantry moved from Chahar to Shansi
Combat - Chinese
Battle in Shansi
Chinese attack with 8 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 artillery
Chinese roll dice for 8 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 1.33 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi
Chinese win, taking Shansi from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
Battle in Jehol
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
Chinese win, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Chinese
2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Honan
1 fighter moved from Jehol to Honan
Place Units - Chinese
4 infantry placed in Honan
Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific buy nothing; Remaining resources: 10 PUs;
Combat Move - British
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western India to 81 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern India to Iraq
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Iraq
1 cruiser moved from 83 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 82 Sea Zone to Iraq
1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
1 battleship moved from 32 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
Combat - British
Battle in Iraq
British attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Italians defend with 1 aaGun and 5 infantry
AA fire in Iraq : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 5 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
1 aaGun owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
1 tactical_bomber owned by the British and 3 fighters owned by the British retreated
British roll dice for 1 artillery in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Italians roll dice for 5 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the British lost in Iraq
Italians win with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun
Non Combat Move - British
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Northwest Persia: 1 infantry
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt
1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern India to Western India
2 fighters moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt
1 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
1 infantry moved from Eastern India to Western India
1 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 96 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
2 destroyers moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 8 PUs; end with 18 PUs
Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 21 PUs
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 38 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 40 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
British : -2.83
Italians : 0.67
Chinese : 1.83
AA fire in Iraq : : -0.50
Japanese : 0.33
@Adam514 also missed the sub in 37, so moved that after UK.
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
2 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Romania
1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Northwest Persia
5 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Cyprus
Combat - Italians
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
@ksmckay Scramble Romania?
@Adam514 no scramble, missed the bomber, disastrous attack in Iraq, perhaps I should have stuck around.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Italians
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
2 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Romania
1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Northwest Persia
5 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Cyprus
Combat - Italians
Battle in Cyprus
Battle in Romania
Italians attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
Russians defend with 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Romania
Italians win, taking Cyprus from British, taking Romania from Russians with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Poland
Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
Russians defend with 1 marine
Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Poland, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 marine in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 marine owned by the Russians lost in Poland
Italians win, taking Poland from Russians with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
Casualties for Russians: 1 marine
Battle in Northwest Persia
Italians attack with 1 bomber and 5 infantry
British defend with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 5 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
British roll dice for 2 fighters in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
1 bomber owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia
British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -24
Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber and 5 infantry
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Battle in Bulgaria
Italians attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
Russians defend with 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bulgaria
Italians win, taking Bulgaria from Russians with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Italians
3 fighters moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
1 infantry moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
Place Units - Italians
1 infantry and 1 marine placed in Southern Italy
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Northern Italy
Turn Complete - Italians
Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,6
Italians collect 14 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 14 PUs
Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 16 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians : -0.50
British : 1.33
Russians : 0.00
@ksmckay said in Adam514 (Axis) vs ksmckay (Allies) Pat to Victory:
@Adam514 no scramble, missed the bomber, disastrous attack in Iraq, perhaps I should have stuck around.
I mean to say, it was all part of the plan, it was a trap!
@ksmckay Haha I feel for it!
was going to take Iraq and Ethiopia with Anzac since UK cant collect the income :(
not sure who is more likely to recover their capitol.
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;
Combat Move - ANZAC
1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
ANZAC take Ethiopia from Italians
Combat - ANZAC
Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
1 submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from New South Wales to South Australia
1 fighter moved from Wake Island to Hawaiian Islands
1 cruiser moved from 32 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
Place Units - ANZAC
1 aaGun and 1 armour placed in New South Wales
1 destroyer placed in 64 Sea Zone
Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Combat Move - French
Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 1.0
Game History
Round: 6
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 airfield, 3 armour, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Germans
1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Finland
1 fighter moved from 116 Sea Zone to Finland
2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States
Germans take Baltic States from Russians
4 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
Combat - Germans
Battle in Eastern Poland
Germans attack with 10 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys
Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
Germans roll dice for 10 armour, 10 artilleries, 29 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 23/58 hits, 17.83 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 10 armour, 10 artilleries, 28 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
Battle in Finland
Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Russians defend with 1 infantry
Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland
Germans win, taking Finland from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Germans
1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
1 submarine moved from 107 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
1 infantry and 7 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Finland to 116 Sea Zone
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
1 infantry and 9 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 116 Sea Zone to Norway
1 bomber moved from Finland to United Kingdom
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
1 aaGun moved from Norway to 116 Sea Zone
1 aaGun moved from 116 Sea Zone to Western Germany
Place Units - Germans
3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
1 airfield placed in Slovakia Hungary
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Germany
1 mech_infantry placed in Germany
2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern Italy: 1 tactical_bomber
EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 tactical_bomber
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 53 PUs; end with 53 PUs
Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 56 PUs
Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 69 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : 4.83
Russians : 0.00
