@trulpen I would reconsider. While I find playing with no edit rules too stressful (even if I rarely make mistakes), Andrew was very upfront about his policy and you agreed to it. If you were similarly upfront about the bump policy, then this would clearly be a case of ‘rules are rules.’

But instead you made multiple mentions saying the bumps dont mean anything until with no notice given, you changed your mind and applied a rule that in this community is never applied like this and probably should be amended based on this.

@Colt45554 Its been an issue in the playoffs the last 2 years minimum and it can easily/likely be an issue this year as well.

Saying it doesn’t matter is like saying all the league rules dont matter because everyone will always agree on what should be done. There is a disagreement in the league and the beginning of the year is the time to deal with it.

Its been said that rules can only be changed at the beginning of the year (despite rule changes being made in the middle of the year) so now is the time to deal with it.

I think there shouldnt be any restriction on joining multiple tournaments if you qualify. There is no reason the best player in BM cant be the best player in OOB and PTV. Just need to set number of games to qualify appropriately (which as others have said needs to be different for different games).

This year there were 16 total games of OOB (at least as of 12/1/20). If you make the barrier to get in the different tourneys too high or too restrictive, there wont be a meaningful playoff to worry about.

this nullification business is nonsense.

Andrew said he wanted a game with no edits and up to this point no edits. Andrews policy is if you make mistakes you live with him and right now the only person not willing to uphold that is Andrew. Andrew getting up in arms about a nullification just because he offered one is silly. Andrew was more than welcome to offer whatever he wants but that doesnt require trulpen to do the same.

Andrew wants a black/white rules policy just to get away from things like this and yet he is the one looking for and expecting gray right now.

Trulpen made a bad decision trying to claim the game with bumps but beyond that everything else is now on Andrew. Just move on Trulpen and neither of you waste your time on things that arent fun.

This issue popped up two years ago in the playoffs and was never properly addressed then unfortunately.

Last year there were about 20-25 games out of 375 that were played with OOB rules. Most of those games involved a small handful of players who clearly prefer OOB but were nowhere near the playoffs so it wasnt an issue last year.

This year There were 16 out of 350 or so games played with OOB rules with 11 of them played by one player and a few other random games. Thought this year is complicated because of the addition of P2V which actually represented quite a few games.

Just to put some numbers in. But for the most part I think this conversation was sidetracked.

In 2018 this issue came up in the middle of the playoffs. Thankfully it was avoided in main bracket in 2019 (though it came up in second bracket). Im trying to avoid dealing with this issue in 2020 as I know I wont be the only one who has an issue with this rule and so trying to start the conversation and deal with it before games are started. Its not a question of what the rules say, as that is clear, but the rules clearly (in my opinion of course) dont reflect the current league climate and opinions. I think the rules need to be adjusted for 2021 at minimum.

If the rest of the main bracket is fine with things as is, then all is well, if not then I think its worth discussing and dealing with ahead of time.

@AndrewAAGamer

Finally for me OOB is an official Axis and Allies game. Yes, it requires a bid but it is still the official version. BM3 and PtV are not official and playing them instead of OOB fractures the gaming community. I guess a question could be what is the point of the League and this website. To promote any wargaming or promote Axis and Allies wargaming?

Games evolve over time, in part due to sites like this. What you call OOB doesn’t match the game out of the
Box unless you have second edition so clearly AA games can evolve. Probably Larry and company should have done more to continue to evolve the game but they are a business and continuing to support a game well after being released is probably challenging (though at some other they still support it).

I think most of us play the game for fun. Obviously that means different things for different people.

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

I completely disagree with this. All leagues of all kinds have their own rules. Playing in the league means you play by the league rules. As an example, you could say American football is a game with defined OOB rules. But every league out there has their own version of it. From kids to college to XFL to NFL. Rules arent defined by some accepted OOB format but by what the league decides.

The community that plays on this site is the league and is responsible for making rules that the league wants to play with. There is zero reason that has to be anything other than what the community wants. If someone wants to participate in the league, then they should be willing to adopt the rules of the league whether thats the actual rules of the game, definition of the league, bidding, disagreement handling, etc.

Most of the players in the top tier said they had no interest in playing OOB and would rather pass on the playoffs then be forced into playing it. To me that means there is a problem.

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

gamer has a lot on his plate. i think what he decides should be.

No.

With no disrespect to Gamerman, he doesnt even play in the league.

I greatly appreciate everything Gamerman does (and he does a lot) but he doesnt own the league or define it, the players in the league do and so need to decide the rules of the league.

And all this talk about flipping a coin is silly.

We have two players in the top tier playoffs with a combined total of 1 league BM3 game. One of those players has exclusivley played P2V in this league and the other mostly OOB (one game BM3, one game P2V). Most of the other players have played zero league games of OOB in the last few years. The games are so different that forcing someone to play a different game is effectively an autoloss at the high level.

Most of the participants already stated they have no interest in playing a different version than what they normally play and arent interested in forcing another player to play a different game either.

This has been an issue for several years and particularly now that P2V has been released, it needs to be addressed.

@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:

@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:

I am fine with it, but I dont think its ok for the rules to be unclear.

I think they’re actually quite clear and straight-forward. A player can always push for the default rules to be active.

I meant I am fine with adjusting things. The existing rule is not unclear. But if it needs to be changed (or players want it changed), then it should be changed. And I think the beginning of the year is an appropriate time for such a discussion.

@trulpen No moves to make?! I have been waiting ever so patiently, anxious to make my next move!

@axis-dominion what a bs result in 93.

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 armour moved from Algeria to Tunisia
              Americans take Tunisia from Italians
        1 armour moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
        1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in 93 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 transport
            Italians defend with 2 cruisers
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 transport in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 cruisers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 transport in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 93 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Casualties for Italians: 2 cruisers
        Battle in Southern France

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        2 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 23 Sea Zone to Midway
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 23 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western United States to 16 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 8 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Marshall Islands to 32 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 32 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 32 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Midway
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 25 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to Midway
        1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Central United States
        1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 70 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        4 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Chinese attack with 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai
            Chinese win, taking Tsinghai from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 4 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to 94 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French West Africa
              British take French West Africa from Italians

    Combat - British
        Battle in Yunnan
            British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 5 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 battleship
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 94 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship

    Non Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to Southern France
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Southern France
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Syria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        3 submarines moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
        1 artillery moved from Nigeria to French West Africa
        1 mech_infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French West Africa
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French Central Africa
        1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to French Equatorial Africa
        5 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
        1 armour moved from Rostov to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        2 fighters moved from Rostov to Tsinghai
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Tsinghai
        1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to India
        1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 12 infantry moved from India to Burma
        1 fighter moved from Burma to India
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 23 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Southern France to Egypt
        EDIT: 1 bomber moved from Southern France to Egypt

    Place Units - British
        1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        3 infantry placed in Egypt
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 41 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Burma: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Burma: 3 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 3 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.33
Americans regular : -2.33
Japanese regular : 0.00
Italians regular : 1.83
British regular : -2.83

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        4 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Chinese attack with 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai
            Chinese win, taking Tsinghai from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 2 PUs; end with 4 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.33
Japanese regular : 1.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 7 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Rostov: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Rostov: 1 armour
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
        2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Western Ukraine
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
            Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Italians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Belarus
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
            Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Smolensk
            Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk
            Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        3 artilleries moved from Volgograd to Samara
        4 infantry moved from Kansu to Novosibirsk
        4 armour moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        10 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
        Russians collect 26 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 33 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 35 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : -0.67
Russians regular : 0.83

Savegame

@axis-dominion swapping arm for aa as requested

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone

    Combat - French
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            French attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                French roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            French win with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Egypt

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.33
French regular : 0.17

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 32 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Marshall Islands

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 54 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 32 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Midway to 32 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western United States to 32 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 submarine moved from 104 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
        4 fighters placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 51 PUs; end with 52 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

    Combat Move - Chinese
        4 infantry moved from Kansu to Suiyuyan
        4 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Suiyuyan
            Chinese attack with 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuyan
            Chinese win, taking Suiyuyan from Japanese with 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Tsinghai
            Chinese attack with 4 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Tsinghai, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Tsinghai, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Tsinghai, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Tsinghai, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Tsinghai, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Tsinghai
            Chinese win, taking Tsinghai from Japanese with 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Kansu to Burma

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 5 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French Central Africa
              British take French Central Africa from Italians
        1 artillery moved from French Equatorial Africa to Nigeria
              British take Nigeria from Italians
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
              UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
        1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in Yunnan
            British attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 8 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Burma
        1 fighter moved from Burma to India
        1 artillery moved from India to Burma
        4 infantry moved from Burma to India
        3 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from British Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone
        3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 76 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 81 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
        3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Kansu to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Ethiopia to Eastern Persia
        1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to French Equatorial Africa
        1 mech_infantry moved from Rhodesia to French Equatorial Africa
        1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 armour moved from Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba to Eastern United States
        2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

    Place Units - British
        2 submarines placed in 98 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt
        2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
        1 destroyer placed in 109 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 92 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 41 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        3 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6
        UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.33
Japanese regular : -1.33
British regular : 0.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 armour and 3 artilleries; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to Unprovoked
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly

    Combat Move - Russians
        Trigger Russians Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
        2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Manchuria
              Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Belarus
            Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
            Russians win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Trigger Russians Conquer Japanese Territory By Mongolia: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Mongolia_May_Change_To_Russians_Control_Switch attached to Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia
        1 artillery, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
        4 infantry moved from Timguska to Kansu
        2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
        1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov

    Place Units - Russians
        3 artilleries placed in Volgograd
        4 armour placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3,3
        Russians collect 27 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 28 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 31 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 33 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 1.33
Russians regular : 1.00

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@axis-dominion thanks, dont think you will go for it in this situation but would prefer not to tempt you

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Java
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 3 fighters in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in New South Wales
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from New South Wales: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Queensland: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 62 Sea Zone: 1 transport
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 62 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Changing PUs for ANZAC from 0 to 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 18 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Burma: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67
ANZAC regular : 0.17

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