@trulpen I would reconsider. While I find playing with no edit rules too stressful (even if I rarely make mistakes), Andrew was very upfront about his policy and you agreed to it. If you were similarly upfront about the bump policy, then this would clearly be a case of ‘rules are rules.’

But instead you made multiple mentions saying the bumps dont mean anything until with no notice given, you changed your mind and applied a rule that in this community is never applied like this and probably should be amended based on this.

@Colt45554 Its been an issue in the playoffs the last 2 years minimum and it can easily/likely be an issue this year as well.

Saying it doesn’t matter is like saying all the league rules dont matter because everyone will always agree on what should be done. There is a disagreement in the league and the beginning of the year is the time to deal with it.

Its been said that rules can only be changed at the beginning of the year (despite rule changes being made in the middle of the year) so now is the time to deal with it.

I think there shouldnt be any restriction on joining multiple tournaments if you qualify. There is no reason the best player in BM cant be the best player in OOB and PTV. Just need to set number of games to qualify appropriately (which as others have said needs to be different for different games).

This year there were 16 total games of OOB (at least as of 12/1/20). If you make the barrier to get in the different tourneys too high or too restrictive, there wont be a meaningful playoff to worry about.

this nullification business is nonsense.

Andrew said he wanted a game with no edits and up to this point no edits. Andrews policy is if you make mistakes you live with him and right now the only person not willing to uphold that is Andrew. Andrew getting up in arms about a nullification just because he offered one is silly. Andrew was more than welcome to offer whatever he wants but that doesnt require trulpen to do the same.

Andrew wants a black/white rules policy just to get away from things like this and yet he is the one looking for and expecting gray right now.

Trulpen made a bad decision trying to claim the game with bumps but beyond that everything else is now on Andrew. Just move on Trulpen and neither of you waste your time on things that arent fun.

This issue popped up two years ago in the playoffs and was never properly addressed then unfortunately.

Last year there were about 20-25 games out of 375 that were played with OOB rules. Most of those games involved a small handful of players who clearly prefer OOB but were nowhere near the playoffs so it wasnt an issue last year.

This year There were 16 out of 350 or so games played with OOB rules with 11 of them played by one player and a few other random games. Thought this year is complicated because of the addition of P2V which actually represented quite a few games.

Just to put some numbers in. But for the most part I think this conversation was sidetracked.

In 2018 this issue came up in the middle of the playoffs. Thankfully it was avoided in main bracket in 2019 (though it came up in second bracket). Im trying to avoid dealing with this issue in 2020 as I know I wont be the only one who has an issue with this rule and so trying to start the conversation and deal with it before games are started. Its not a question of what the rules say, as that is clear, but the rules clearly (in my opinion of course) dont reflect the current league climate and opinions. I think the rules need to be adjusted for 2021 at minimum.

If the rest of the main bracket is fine with things as is, then all is well, if not then I think its worth discussing and dealing with ahead of time.

@AndrewAAGamer

Finally for me OOB is an official Axis and Allies game. Yes, it requires a bid but it is still the official version. BM3 and PtV are not official and playing them instead of OOB fractures the gaming community. I guess a question could be what is the point of the League and this website. To promote any wargaming or promote Axis and Allies wargaming?

Games evolve over time, in part due to sites like this. What you call OOB doesn’t match the game out of the
Box unless you have second edition so clearly AA games can evolve. Probably Larry and company should have done more to continue to evolve the game but they are a business and continuing to support a game well after being released is probably challenging (though at some other they still support it).

I think most of us play the game for fun. Obviously that means different things for different people.

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

I completely disagree with this. All leagues of all kinds have their own rules. Playing in the league means you play by the league rules. As an example, you could say American football is a game with defined OOB rules. But every league out there has their own version of it. From kids to college to XFL to NFL. Rules arent defined by some accepted OOB format but by what the league decides.

The community that plays on this site is the league and is responsible for making rules that the league wants to play with. There is zero reason that has to be anything other than what the community wants. If someone wants to participate in the league, then they should be willing to adopt the rules of the league whether thats the actual rules of the game, definition of the league, bidding, disagreement handling, etc.

Most of the players in the top tier said they had no interest in playing OOB and would rather pass on the playoffs then be forced into playing it. To me that means there is a problem.

@dawgoneit said in League General Discussion Thread:

gamer has a lot on his plate. i think what he decides should be.

No.

With no disrespect to Gamerman, he doesnt even play in the league.

I greatly appreciate everything Gamerman does (and he does a lot) but he doesnt own the league or define it, the players in the league do and so need to decide the rules of the league.

And all this talk about flipping a coin is silly.

We have two players in the top tier playoffs with a combined total of 1 league BM3 game. One of those players has exclusivley played P2V in this league and the other mostly OOB (one game BM3, one game P2V). Most of the other players have played zero league games of OOB in the last few years. The games are so different that forcing someone to play a different game is effectively an autoloss at the high level.

Most of the participants already stated they have no interest in playing a different version than what they normally play and arent interested in forcing another player to play a different game either.

This has been an issue for several years and particularly now that P2V has been released, it needs to be addressed.

@trulpen said in League General Discussion Thread:

@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:

I am fine with it, but I dont think its ok for the rules to be unclear.

I think they’re actually quite clear and straight-forward. A player can always push for the default rules to be active.

I meant I am fine with adjusting things. The existing rule is not unclear. But if it needs to be changed (or players want it changed), then it should be changed. And I think the beginning of the year is an appropriate time for such a discussion.

@trulpen No moves to make?! I have been waiting ever so patiently, anxious to make my next move!

@Ghostglider please use second file

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 10

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        2 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Volgograd
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern France
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Yugoslavia
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
            Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Southern France
            Italians attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern France
            Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Southern France to Western Germany
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
        2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1,4,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4,4,1,6,6,5,3,5,4,2,3
        Italians collect 4 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 4 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 6 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Southern Italy: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Northern Italy: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Northern Italy: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Southern Italy: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Southern Italy: 1 marine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Northern Italy: 1 marine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Italians regular : 0.50
British regular : 0.67

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
        2 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Volgograd
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern France
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Yugoslavia
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
            Italians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Southern France
            Italians attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern France
            Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        2 fighters moved from Southern France to Western Germany
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
        2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1,4,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4,4,1,6,6,5,3,5,4,2,3
        Italians collect 4 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 4 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 6 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Italians regular : 0.50
British regular : 0.67

Savegame

@axis-dominion sounds like you got it figured out correctly but one other point is that subs don’t make a sea zone hostile.

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 3 carriers and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to India
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to India
        1 fighter moved from Japan to 17 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 31 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway

    Combat - Japanese
        Japanese creates battle in territory 62 Sea Zone
        Battle in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Midway
        Battle in India
            Japanese attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 12 mech_infantrys
            British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 12 mech_infantrys in India, round 2 : 3/25 hits, 7.17 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in India, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 artillery owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in India
            Japanese captures 8PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
            Japanese converts factory_major into different units
            Japanese win, taking Midway from Americans, taking India from UK_Pacific with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 12 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        triggerUKPacificDestroyPUsJapanese: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to UK_Pacific

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to India
        1 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Korea
        1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to Japan
        6 fighters moved from French Indo China to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 31 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 destroyer moved from 31 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 battleships, 6 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters, 2 submarines, 5 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 31 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        6 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to 33 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        4 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        2 fighters moved from Malaya to Philippines
        2 bombers moved from Philippines to Caroline Islands
        1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Korea
        EDIT: 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to French Indo China
        EDIT: 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Malaya
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 carriers and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 transports placed in 37 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 67 PUs; end with 77 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 92 PUs
        Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 97 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -4.17
UK_Pacific regular : 0.00

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        4 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Baltic States
        10 armour and 15 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara
              Germans take Samara from Russians
        5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Persia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 99 Sea Zone
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in 125 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 125 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 3 fighters and 4 infantry
            British defend with 2 aaGuns and 2 infantry; Americans defend with 1 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Holland Belgium : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 4 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 aaGuns and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 4 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 4 tactical_bombers in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 transports in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans, 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
                2 transports owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 bombers and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 41
            Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 transports
        Battle in Novgorod
            Germans attack with 10 armour and 15 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 5 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 10 armour and 15 mech_infantrys in Novgorod, round 2 : 7/25 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 5 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                5 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 10 armour and 13 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for Russians: 5 infantry
        Battle in Persia
            Germans attack with 5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys in Persia, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Persia
            Germans win, taking Persia from British with 5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Germans attack with 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
            Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Iraq
            Germans attack with 3 mech_infantrys
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Iraq, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Iraq, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Iraq
            Germans win, taking Iraq from British with 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 fighters moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 112 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Samara
        1 aaGun moved from Volgograd to Samara
        5 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Samara
        3 armour and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Samara
        4 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Finland to Novgorod
        3 artilleries moved from Finland to Karelia
        1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Western Germany
        3 tactical_bombers moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        2 bombers moved from 99 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        4 artilleries moved from Rostov to Volgograd
        4 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        6 mech_infantrys moved from Romania to Baltic States

    Place Units - Germans
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 112 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        2 infantry placed in France
        Germans undo move 3.
        1 infantry placed in France
        1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Finland: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Karelia: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,4,5,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1,3,1,3,1,3,2,4,1,4,2
        Germans collect 56 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 56 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.00
British AA : -0.50
Russians regular : -0.00
Germans regular : 3.33
British regular : 0.83

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 12 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Syria
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        2 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Bulgaria

    Combat - Italians
        Air Battle in Syria
            Italians attacks with 1 units heading to Syria
            British launches 1 interceptors out of Syria
                Attackers Fire,  : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Defenders Fire,  : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the French lost in Syria
            Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
        Strategic bombing raid in Syria
                British roll AA dice in Syria : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Syria rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: airfield
            Bombing raid in Syria causes 5 damage total. 
        Battle in 91 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 2 transports
                2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 91 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Americans: 2 transports
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
            Italians win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Bulgaria
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Bulgaria
            Italians win, taking Bulgaria from Americans with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Cleaning up after air battles

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Bulgaria to Caucasus
        1 bomber moved from Syria to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania
        2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3,1,6,5,5,5,1,1,2,4,2
        Italians collect 4 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 18 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Italians regular : 0.33
British AA : -0.17
Defenders Fire,  : -0.33
Attackers Fire,  : 0.83
British regular : -0.33

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@Ghostglider bombing Syria, intercept with french ftr?

TripleA Move Summary: Italians round 9

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 12 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Syria
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        2 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Bulgaria

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
              Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
        2 battleships, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 2 submarines, 4 tactical_bombers and 1 transport moved from 49 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 31 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
              Japanese take 17 Sea Zone from Americans
        2 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        6 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island
        1 fighter moved from 16 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 31 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 transports
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 31 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 1 fighter and 2 transports in 31 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 31 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 31 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Wake Island
            Japanese attack with 6 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese roll dice for 6 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers in Wake Island, round 2 : 8/16 hits, 7.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Wake Island, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 4 fighters owned by the Americans lost in Wake Island
            Japanese win, taking Wake Island from Americans with 6 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 42
            Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in 16 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 16 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 3 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 3 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 fighters moved from 16 Sea Zone to Japan
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        6 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Wake Island to 31 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island
        1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
        3 armour moved from Malaya to Burma
        3 armour moved from French Indo China to Burma
        5 artilleries, 4 fighters, 6 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Burma
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Szechwan to Burma
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Hunan to Burma
        1 aaGun moved from Yunnan to Burma
        1 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        4 fighters moved from Burma to French Indo China
        1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        1 mech_infantry moved from Jehol to Kweichow
        1 artillery moved from Tsinghai to Shensi
        1 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu
        1 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to French Indo China
        1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Yunnan to Burma
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to Yunnan
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to Yunnan

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 tactical_bombers placed in French Indo China
        2 fighters placed in Malaya
        1 destroyer placed in 37 Sea Zone
        2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 65 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
        Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.50
Japanese regular : 1.83

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