Need help finding a version of AA: Europe


  • I sent a message to moderator to facilitate its transfer to the eastern front ( house rules section).


  • I don’t know whether to say “Vot a Kopfschmerz” or “Danke Schon.”

    anyway, thanks!


  • I have some stuff to post, but i was hoping Craig Yoper ( another member here) might have got around to it by now.


  • No not that stuff. The real map i made for you…

    I would fix that link substituting the new maps and watch interest grow in your variant.


  • We must think of how it will benefit the community and keep this close to our thoughts. I really know many will love to see your upgraded materials.


  • Pacific map: sea-zone 31 looks bedlam, and where is sea zone 20 ? and why have two sea zones 22 ?

    Also all this national tokens clutter up the oceans, in some sea zones there are even two japanese tokens, one for convoy zone and another for kamikaze. The convoy zones from originale A&A Europe looks way better, and symbol of a red fighter in kamikaze-area is far better than this big token that occupie most of the sea zone.


  • Europe map look beautiful, one more + karma to IL

    IL, replace the pacific roundells with real convoy zones from Europe. Can you do me this, bitte ? Dann du bist einen kleine schnuppe  :lol:

    Also it should not be enough just to occupie a convoy zone with a sub. The sub must roll a die, and each eye is one less IPC, just as when bombers do SBR against factories.


  • yea sure give me a few days.


  • Wow! - If it ever downloads, I’m sure I’ll see a work of art, a true act of devotion.

    Thank you, oh Exalted Elbowmaster.

    from a humble acolyte…


  • Ah, I see “Imperious Leader” credit on map - - guess it’s a true joint venture.

    Nice teamwork, gregarious gamefiends!


  • Yes its made to specs according to Yoper. I support anybody who wants to make variants for AA and offer them to the community. Yoper has extensively playtested these games over the years so give them a chance. Support him.


  • @Imperious:

    I support anybody who wants to make variants for AA and offer them to the community.

    Danke, mein Herr. Now you can help me, use the Europe map, cut Norway in two territories and Finland in two territories. Then move the Sovjet convoy zone to the top of the map, since all attacks on this convoy happened in the narrow straight between Bear island and Northern most tip of Norway, and not close to UK where it was heavily protectet. Then I want mountains in Norway, Austria, Italy, Balkan, Caucasus and Iran/Persia and forest with snow in Finland, Karelia, Archangelsk and the territories north of Moscow. Also I want IPC values from the book of Harrison.

    Now can you do this for the Norwegian A&A Community ?
    Or must I ask, “how much ?”


  • I need to know what IPC values you want:

    list the maps territory and the proper IPC value

    Also need what new territory names you need, because i could make it north Quisling and south Quisling and you may not like that.


  • Norway is cut in two, the south is “Norway” and the north is “Nordland”, both with mountains. Finland is cut in two, the south part is “Finland” and the north is “Lappland”, both with forest in snow. Also I want UK as one territory, after all that small island is 250 000 square miles only, compared to Norway’s 350 000.


  • About the IPC values, I have some new ideas.

    Now Harrison’s book have the GDP (gross domestic production) numbers for each country during the war. In my idea, a nation may only use the GDP from its home territories. The GDP from conqured enemies are useless, because you cant put an enemy population into good use. But you can use the resources from from an occupied territory. And this is in fact what happened during the war. Of course not every territory got any value now, only the territories with big time resources like oil and iron ore got values, and the home territories.

    Lets take Germany as an example. Germany homeland got 12 IPC, because this is the historic GDP of this country. Germany historic got 50 % of its iron ore from Sweden, so lets give Northern Norway (Nordland territory) 4 IPC, and Germany got 70 % of its nickel from mines in Northern Finland, so lets give Lappland territory 4 IPC. Also Germany got 90 % of its oil from Ploesti fields in Rumenia, so lets give Rumenia 4 IPC. Now the other countries have no IPC value, they are worthless. If Germany conquer Balo-Russia, it gets no IPC gain, but if Germany conquer Caucasus it get 6 IPC from the Baku oil-fields. Can you dig it ?


  • Ok so thats the only changes then?


  • No, I’ll work out the right numbers during weekend, stay tuned


  • @Adlertag:

    Lets take Germany as an example. Germany homeland got 12 IPC, because this is the historic GDP of this country. Germany historic got 50 % of its iron ore from Sweden, so lets give Northern Norway (Nordland territory) 4 IPC, and Germany got 70 % of its nickel from mines in Northern Finland, so lets give Lappland territory 4 IPC. Also Germany got 90 % of its oil from Ploesti fields in Rumenia, so lets give Rumenia 4 IPC. Now the other countries have no IPC value, they are worthless. If Germany conquer Balo-Russia, it gets no IPC gain, but if Germany conquer Caucasus it get 6 IPC from the Baku oil-fields. Can you dig it ?

    Armies move on their stomachs… I would give at least 1 IPC or 2 IPC to places like Balo-Russia! Lots and lots of wheat, potatoes, etc. Remember, that “hammer and sickle” means industry and agriculture - both valuable enough to be on the Soviet flag!


  • I dont know why I bother to answer this

    Listen dude, some places like Viborg are just wilderness and swamps and marshes, with no population or no resources or no industry what so ever. But anyway people of your kind like to give Viborg 1 or 2 IPC income anyway, just for fun. So Germany with population of 80 million and big time industry got 10 IPC, and Viborg with population of 10 000 hillbillies and no known industry or resources got 1 IPC. Knock knock. Anybody home ?

    But what about playability, you cry ? Yes, its good playability to keep track of 100 territories with 1 IPC income each, especially since all this territories got tradet back and forth like 100 times during one turn. NOT ! I favour a system with some valuable and main  territories that contains factories, victory cities and high IPC income, and a lot of useless territories with no IPC income that you can use as a dead zone to trade back and forth without having to keep track of IPC income.


  • I agree with you on Viborg, comrade!

    Just wanted to advocate for agro, amidst all the talk of metals, oil, etc.

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