Variable set-up

We have been playing CDG’s 1939 v3 set-up with a neutrals variant and it is great.  Is anyone aware of a pre-1939 alternate set-up worth trying?

Thanks…MF

divide attack and defence values by 2.
Converts from D12 to D6 or half.
There is more variety available for the 12 sided dice.
3 is 1.5 on a D6 so you may need to fudge the numbers a bit
Build cost in 1940 is all at once so 5/5/5/5= 20IPC rather than 4 turns each @$5

In case they dont add the 1940 rules at the end. Not all have this included anymore.

I thought about trying a Vichy French and Italian Civil War situation, very unlikely of happening but plausible. Vichy France is easy, if Germany takes Southern France, all Vichy French comes into power. Southern France becomes the new capital, all original French territories join Vichy France, if French Indo China is under Japanese control by this time, Vichy France does not take control. All units on French territory join Vichy, all French naval units in the Med join Vichy France. Vichy France join the axis but becomes neutral.

Italian Civil War, if southern Italy is taking control by the allied powers, all Italian forces outside of Europe or Russian including navy join the allies controlled by the British, Italy must surrender all battleships and carriers to the allies. Italian forces in the North, Europe, and Russia remain part of the Italian Axis forces.

Also, it looks like you’ve made submarines 1 IPC cheaper and given them a convoy raiding ability, without any real compensating disadvantages. You’ve changed the submerge ability, but on balance I think the submerge ability is still equally powerful. I think submarines are already a pretty good buy OOB at 6 IPCs, in part because they are the cheapest ship and therefore often the best available fodder.

One thing to know about Subs A2first strike A1 C5 is that loosing them on defense as fodder, is a pretty good news to the attacker. Because, if they submerge, they will gets a much better attack factor than DDs, and for 5 IPCs, pretty cheap to buy. Also, you cannot use them as fodder against other sub.
So, on offence, it is better to lose DDs because A2 first strike should be preserved.
On defense, it is better to use your Sub later, hence Submerging eventually.
And Subs cannot hit subs so you must pick DD as fodder instead.

yeah, i can download those files,i can definetely use some of those rules in my game,i think i’ll use the new units and fortresses and some of the politics,and as near to the set up as i can.thanks

There are a few discrepancies between the 1939 map with set ups and player set up charts in the 1939 rules.

1.  France listed w 6 infantry set up charts:  4 on map
2.  UK shows only Factory in Canada and Australia on 1939 set up charts:  map adds factory in UK and India.

There may be more, this is the most obvious.  I assume the map is correct.  are there updated set ups?  The one I’m refering to is on the download dated 3-08. http://home.exetel.com.au/cometo/aarhe/

Also, on the 1939 map, the UK starts with a factory in India.  This gives UK 4 factories.  Should the UK have a factory in India, particularly in 1939?  Did India have such capability in producting ships, planes, armor etc that early?  I’d rather see UK required to build one.

looking into this now…

Very interesting, Switch, especially with the German player’s option for sub placement.  I’m anxious to hear of any test games results. :-D