You and the kids can soon sit on Satans lap and take pictures.


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    I’m just against organized religion. I believe in God because it’s definition is tied to the existence of the universe. So God is all the scientific laws and everything that made the cosmos.

    I can’t deny existence.



  • @suprise:

    I know that answer

    “Your Wife”

    Religion is the downfall of man kind, Religion is not faith.
    Good luck and good gaming keep praying to the dice gods

    LOL… Of course I worship my wife, why else would I ditch you to stay home on the second day of the FMGC, just to be her nurse? Hell… I avoided that herd of cadets that invaded the hall didn’t I… ahhh!!! who am I kidding… staying home sucked.


  • Official Q&A 2007 AAR League

    @Gargantua:

    Oh, so… who do you worship?

    The Planet?

    Larry Harris?

    GAYa?

    This suggests worship is required. Why is some sort of worship required?

    Your responses to atheism suggest the argument that everyone has some sort of god. By characterizing atheists as “god-less” you resort to essentially ad hominem and simple ridicule for the idea. In order for me to be “god-less” I would need to believe that there were in fact gods. I can not be less something that does not exist. So your question above comes across as some sort of lame rhetorical trap stemming from a semantic game i.e.: You worship “The Planet”-> one worships gods -> “The Planet” is your god. -> Therefore you are not an atheist.

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

    @Imperious:

    I’m just against organized religion. I believe in God because it’s definition is tied to the existence of the universe. So God is all the scientific laws and everything that made the cosmos.

    I can’t deny existence.

    How is saying there is no God denying existence?


  • 2017 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10

    How is saying there is no God denying existence?

    Probably if the idea of God has no connection to anything in the universe.


  • Customizer

    Anyone can say there is a creative force that shaped the universe. Obviously.

    The question is does that force act consciously?

    Does it judge individuals and reward/punish them? Does it change it’s mind in response to prayer?  Has it already mapped out the future so we’re nothing more than puppets acting out a script? Does it have any relationship whatsoever with any man-made religion, if so which one?

    I find no worthwhile evidence for any of the above.

    The Gods will only appear in the future. They will be our descendants. If religion doesn’t render us extinct in the next century or so, which it probably will.



  • I spent some time with the Raelians who believe all life on earth including humans was created by extra terrestrials using genetic manipulation.

    they claim…

    -the garden of eden was a laboratory
    -when they created man, they needed genetic DNA from that man to create a woman (Adams rib)
    -one of the ETs unlawfully explained to Eve the secrets of their scientific creation (the snake and the apple)
    -due to fear of their new knowledge, they banished Adam and Eve to be primitive in a hostile environment
    -some ETs were genetically engineering monsters (dinosaurs) so they destroyed the earth with fire
    -later they destroyed the earth with a flood, but not before they saved DNA samples of all spices on a space ship
    -they abducted men, took them to their planet, showed them their science secrets, and returned them as prophets
    -the burning bush that was not consumed by flames was a light from a space ship during the Jesus abduction
    -Jonah was swallowed by a submarine like space ship (not a whale) where he stayed for X days learning science
    -the resurrection of jesus was made possible by cloning, and eternal life can be rewarded in heaven (their planet)

    As outrageous as it seems, why not consider the possibility if we can talk about a bearded man on a cloud, a horned devil with hooves, talking snakes, evil apples, elephants, rhinos, and giraffes on a wooden boat, or a magical life after death even if you physically explode into a billion pieces?


  • 2017

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)



  • @wheatbeer:

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)

    Absolutely, thats why I’m against the baptism of infants as they are not developed enough to choose a religion or ideology which is and should be an extremely personal decision. The Pope is allowed an audience with world leaders due to their claim that they represent a significant share of the worlds population. However, more than half of their membership are new borns which are documented and repoted to the Vatican as a person becoming Catholic, a process that falsely inflates the perceived power of the church.


  • 2017

    My wording might have been a little ambiguous. I meant, specifically, do people choose whether or not they believe in God?

    Someone might choose to affiliate with a particular religion/denomination (or quit one) because of their beliefs. But did they make a choice to believe in God?



  • @wheatbeer:

    My wording might have been a little ambiguous. I meant, specifically, do people choose whether or not they believe in God?

    Someone might choose to affiliate with a particular religion/denomination (or quit one) because of their beliefs. But did they make a choice to believe in God?

    Interesting, kind of like the question does one choose to be gay, or are they born gay.


  • '12

    I don’t think sexual orientation can be compared to a choice to believe in god or not too.  Being gay is not a belief whereas religion is.  If a child was brought up with no concept of god, I doubt they would believe in one.  A gay child could be brought up with no concept of being gay and yet still be gay.

    There is only one type of gay, either you are or are not well I suppose there is being Bi.  Most of the religions have to be wrong, they all can’t be correct.  Therefore we know some true believers have it wrong if not all of them.

    So the Pope defrocked 500 priests recently and most of them for sexual abuse of children.  It was asked how many of those child abusers were reported to the police and charged.  I believe zero was the answer.  Any other group would be charged with organized crime for that.


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    @Young:

    I spent some time with the Raelians who believe all life on earth including humans was created by extra terrestrials using genetic manipulation.

    they claim…

    -the garden of eden was a laboratory
    -when they created man, they needed genetic DNA from that man to create a woman (Adams rib)
    -one of the ETs unlawfully explained to Eve the secrets of their scientific creation (the snake and the apple)
    -due to fear of their new knowledge, they banished Adam and Eve to be primitive in a hostile environment
    -some ETs were genetically engineering monsters (dinosaurs) so they destroyed the earth with fire
    -later they destroyed the earth with a flood, but not before they saved DNA samples of all spices on a space ship
    -they abducted men, took them to their planet, showed them their science secrets, and returned them as prophets
    -the burning bush that was not consumed by flames was a light from a space ship during the Jesus abduction
    -Jonah was swallowed by a submarine like space ship (not a whale) where he stayed for X days learning science
    -the resurrection of jesus was made possible by cloning, and eternal life can be rewarded in heaven (their planet)

    As outrageous as it seems, why not consider the possibility if we can talk about a bearded man on a cloud, a horned devil with hooves, talking snakes, evil apples, elephants, rhinos, and giraffes on a wooden boat, or a magical life after death even if you physically explode into a billion pieces?

    This is all nonesense, though the description of God landing on Mt Sinai is remarkably like a spaceship coming down.

    Jesus did not die on the cross, he was drugged. Read the book.


  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    Everyone seems to forget that in Genesis “GOD” himself appears before the israelite elders on a “Slab of Saphire”.

    They also seem to forget the “Nephilium”, who were the “sons of god” who took the “daughters of men”.  God says “My soul cannot rest with man”.  Then although not directly connected, a sentence later, he floods the earth.

    Hell is also not mentioned in the bible.  “Pit of fire” is however.

    What I want to know is the TRUTH; and why so many people look to use today’s coloquial understandings, as opposed to the original/ancient ones.  Like the use of the Cherub of a symbol.



  • @wheatbeer:

    My wording might have been a little ambiguous. I meant, specifically, do people choose whether or not they believe in God?

    Someone might choose to affiliate with a particular religion/denomination (or quit one) because of their beliefs. But did they make a choice to believe in God?

    Yes, it is a choice to believe in God (that is highly influenced by your upbringing/environment).  Why wouldn’t it?  Before religion existed, or to those areas of the world that lack a singular deity belief system, they can’t choose what doesn’t exist.


  • Official Q&A 2007 AAR League

    @wheatbeer:

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)

    I certainly view it has a choice. The greatest predictor of what religion a child will follow when it grows up is which one its parents followed. Even amongst the believers everyone has a different vision of what or who God is. That suggests to me it is most certainly a choice.



  • @frimmel:

    @wheatbeer:

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)

    I certainly view it has a choice. The greatest predictor of what religion a child will follow when it grows up is which one its parents followed. Even amongst the believers everyone has a different vision of what or who God is. That suggests to me it is most certainly a choice.

    Most adherents of islam never got a choice.
    It is the only faith they ever knew until adulthood, at which time fear keeps them from leaving.
    Most who choose outside that faith are quickly and violently killed, reinforcing such fear.


  • Official Q&A 2007 AAR League

    @Linkon:

    @frimmel:

    @wheatbeer:

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)

    I certainly view it has a choice. The greatest predictor of what religion a child will follow when it grows up is which one its parents followed. Even amongst the believers everyone has a different vision of what or who God is. That suggests to me it is most certainly a choice.

    Most adherents of islam never got a choice.
    It is the only faith they ever knew until adulthood, at which time fear keeps them from leaving.
    Most who choose outside that faith are quickly and violently killed, reinforcing such fear.

    Sure they can choose another faith. They can’t choose to tell anyone about it or openly show it. As I pointed out earlier what people believe and what they say they believe aren’t always the same. If you are a theist of some sort wouldn’t the existence of free will suggest gods want you to choose having faith?



  • @Linkon:

    @frimmel:

    @wheatbeer:

    Does anyone here view either faith or atheism as a choice? (this is a serious question and not merely rhetorical)

    I certainly view it has a choice. The greatest predictor of what religion a child will follow when it grows up is which one its parents followed. Even amongst the believers everyone has a different vision of what or who God is. That suggests to me it is most certainly a choice.

    Most adherents of islam never got a choice.
    It is the only faith they ever knew until adulthood, at which time fear keeps them from leaving.
    Most who choose outside that faith are quickly and violently killed, reinforcing such fear.

    Well, besides pulling something straight out of your rear, you essentially agreed with what frim and I said.



  • Oh look a religious debate on a board game forum! I’ll go get my popcorn.


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