15L DizzKneeLand33 (Axis) vs Whackamatt (Allies+15) Game 2

[Whackamatt]

Hey, Dizz.  I was running some “what if” scenarios in local…only it wasn’t in local!  I got some favorable dice for attacking Persia, but that’s not the battle plan I want.  Please disregard.  I’m still trying to figure out the best way forward here.

[DizzKneeLand33]

Whack,

Here’s my problem with that.  You rolled your attacking dice.  Not only did you roll them, you rolled them until completion of the battle.  Once you’ve done that, it’s a “card laid is a card played” phenomenon.  Do you think that after rolling my first attacking die of my Japanese turn I would have liked to have done something different?  You can tell from my posts above.  It’s not because of the results (my results were accomplished), but because I changed my mind about the plan.  And, that was really true after looking at my German purchase after running combat – the combat had nothing to do with me wanting to change my purchase, but since I had already run combat, well, the purchase was done.

I don’t mind edits for small things, but to remove a combat after it has already taken place (good or bad) is contrary to the spirit of the rules and to league.  That’s why, in spite of my frustration with myself, I never once asked you to redo my turn.  That would not have even been fair of me to ask of you – I knew what the league rules were when I started the game.

Sorry, but, again, I’m just going by what the league rules are.  There is a combat simulator in the program?!  I’m not sure why anyone would roll “local dice” during an actual game…

Dizz

[Whackamatt]

That’s cool, I thought I would ask.

Running local is something I do for the tougher games.  You run scenarios for “What if I attack here how would it look compared to attacking there and buying this?”  Then you have two game files or more to decide which would end up being better for you.  Then reload the game and play with dice.  It’s essentially running turn simulations, but that’s the risk you run as screwing up as I did.

The end result is I believe I just gave you the game, but we’ll let the dice decide.  I did just drop my chance of taking back Egypt by 20-30%, which is just giving them game away after 16 rounds.  you are right though, it was “a card played.”

[Whackamatt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 16

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 bombers and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            3 bombers moved from West India to Persia
            2 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 armour moved from Manchuria to Siberia
                  Americans take Amur from Japanese
                  Americans take Siberia from Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Chahar to Central Mongolia
                  Americans take Central Mongolia from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Burma to India
            2 fighters moved from French Indo China to West India
            3 bombers moved from French Indo China to West India
            5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            5 artilleries, 1 cruiser, 5 infantry and 5 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Spain
            1 armour, 6 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 6 artilleries, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 5 infantry and 7 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 6 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Persia: 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Persia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Battle in Tunisia
            Battle in Persia
                Americans attack with 3 bombers and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor
            Battle in Spain

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 bombers moved from Persia to West India

Place Units - Americans
            3 bombers placed in French Indo China
            3 bombers and 3 infantry placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 86 PUs

[Whackamatt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 16

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
            Chinese buy 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Shensi to Tsinghai
            2 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            9 infantry placed in Manchuria

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 23 PUs; end with 25 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 31 PUs

[Whackamatt]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 16

Combat Move - British
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 79 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Kenya to 81 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from West India to 81 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Union of South Africa to Egypt
            6 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            3 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
                  British take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Germans
            1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to 98 Sea Zone
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk

[DizzKneeLand33]

You covered everything well, no scramble, roll it straight up, max defense of course. :)

This is probably the game here either way, so good luck, sir!!

[Whackamatt]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 16

Purchase Units - British
            British repair 0 damage on 2 harbours; Remaining resources: 34 PUs;
            British buy 2 bombers; Remaining resources: 10 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 bombers and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 79 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Kenya to 81 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from West India to 81 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Union of South Africa to Egypt
            6 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            3 armour moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
                  British take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Germans
            1 bomber moved from Belgian Congo to 98 Sea Zone
            7 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
            2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk

Combat - British
            Battle in Tobruk
            Battle in Egypt
                British attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery, 3 bombers and 9 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber; Germans defend with 1 airfield, 10 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Germans win, taking Tobruk from Italians with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Germans: 10 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for British: 3 armour, 1 artillery, 3 bombers and 9 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 bomber moved from 81 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 fighter moved from 81 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Ethiopia

Place Units - British
            2 bombers placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 45 PUs; end with 55 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 bombers and 1 fighter placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUs total
            Objective UK Pacific 2 Kwangtung And Malaya: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 34 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 bombers and 1 fighter

[Whackamatt]

good game.  you win. if only i had bombed egypt instead on the US turn.   :|

[DizzKneeLand33]

Wow, Whack, very good game!!  I was quite fortunate there – it felt like that game kept going back and forth throughout.

I really thought that killing the neutrals had some merit, and now I’m rethinking that.  You still had tons of play, and quite frankly, I think if you get Egypt there that you win.  There was a different Egypt battle earlier on that I made a defensive mistake over, but all and all tons of fun.

I know you’ve been busy, but I know we can now both play 3/5, so if you are interested in playing again just let me know either here (if you wanna do another one now) or via PM whenever you have time.

[Whackamatt]

Yeah, I’m up for more.  We can do a rebid.  I definitely feel I would have gone on to win had I taken Egypt. That’s why I’m upset for not bombing the airfield.  No scrambling meant an extra 3 bombers for the fight, and I didn’t lose by that much.  Not that it will hurt my win % much.  :|

I think attacking the neutrals has merit, but I usually use it as a quicker route to Egypt through Turkey.  It can become too hard to keep the Allies from taking Spain with concerted effort from the US. Easier once Russia falls, but then you’re spending money against Spain and not Egypt.  The downside as the Axis, is it gives the Allies a lot of extra cash that more than offsets Spain/Sweden/Turkey, so it should be a tactical advantage/surprise.  I think you did it a little too early, and helped me out-produce Germany by a lot.

So what was your take on my Pacific strategy?  I’m using this season to try and come up with some new Allied strategies.  I reject the notion that the game is inherently unbalanced towards the Axis, so much that new NOs or some other fix are needed.  The game is so complex, i just don’t feel the Allies have exhausted all of their options, so I’m trying some new ones.

The basic premise is that the Allies have enough resources from Round 1 to shut down Japan, using a Russia/China/India/ANZAC with some help from the US.  It’s not all-in from the US. You’re kind of sacrificing Russia by sending stuff into China, but Japan never becomes a beast, allowing more resources to go to Europe sooner.  And once India is making 25-30 a round and Japan only has some Russian territories for money, India can help support Egypt and the Middle East long before Russia falls and Germany is threatening.

The trickiest part so far has been finding the right combination of support from the US in the Pacific.  If India/ANZAC are going for the combined navy, do I just use the US as sub/bomber support while they help hold Gibraltar?  Or do I use carriers and destroyers to give them extra hits?