RB,
While certainly the muslem world generates many terrorists, SP is right. You are making a connection that I feel is unfounded. For example, to illustrate that not all terrorists are muslems, note that the OKC bomber was not a muslem. Nor was the Unibomber.  To illustrate that not all muslems are terrorists, do the math: approx 1000 muslem terrorists compared to approx 1 billion muslems = a muslem terrorist is truely one in a million. Now maybe there are more than 1000 muslem terrorists…but you should get my point that they are the vast minority of muslems.
SP,
I have to point out that you fall into the same bad logic when you make statements like:
It’s little side notes like this that pushes me further and further away from Christianity.
Do you know RB is a christian? Even if he is, you are taking him to be representative of all christians which is not correct. Now you are within your rights to move away from Christianity for any reason…but do you really want to do so based on poor logic? As a Christian, I also take some offense that you consider me (without even knowing me) to have biased views on Muslems…which I hope I do not. Now maybe in your experience you have found only Christians who are not worthy of that name and base your decision on that. If so, then I am sorry there are so many poor examples of Christians.
Hey Rune! thats a truly awesome post!!! LOL :-D good job…
Tell me, why did you leave out the Oklahoma City bombing??
@221B:
Do you know RB is a christian? Even if he is, you are taking him to be representative of all christians which is not correct. Now you are within your rights to move away from Christianity for any reason…but do you really want to do so based on poor logic? As a Christian, I also take some offense that you consider me (without even knowing me) to have biased views on Muslems…which I hope I do not. Now maybe in your experience you have found only Christians who are not worthy of that name and base your decision on that. If so, then I am sorry there are so many poor examples of Christians.
You know 221b, you’re right. I am sorry for that. However, I see from the point of view that most Christians have a very hostile view towards those of other religions. I do observe that the others are no better. Yet, the point I was making is the fact I will not be dictated by people of one faith because of their bad talking on another. I see Christians do it all the time as do Muslims. This extreme bitterness between religions, to me, is the downfall of what I was raised to believe. I do believe in God. I do pray. Yet Christ, nor Allah, nor Yahweh, nor any other version I will accept based on the fact that the followers have no respect for one another. At least that is what my eyes tell me as I read statements like RB’s and hear the same from friends who are part of the Muslim Nation. It’s sad and I will take no part in it.
Beyond Oklahoma City, how about the IRA, ETA, Rwanda, any group in the Balkans, the Chechans, Israel, the Stern Gang, non-government militias…I could go on and on, except that I’ll note that the definition of a terrorist has been remarkably fluid, and it wasn’t started by the Muslims. All civilizations have at some point terrorized, and they all come to grips with it more or, often, less.
I must go now, but I’ll write more next week.
@stuka:
… I will not be dictated by people of one faith because of their bad talking on another…Yet Christ, nor Allah, nor Yahweh, nor any other version I will accept based on the fact that the followers have no respect for one another. At least that is what my eyes tell me … It’s sad and I will take no part in it.
This I certainly agree with. These “Christians”, “Muslems”, “Jews”, or whatever, who have no respect for another faith are not being true to the faith they profess. It is very sad and I am glad you want no part of this.
A quick note on Chengora’s post…
The Chechen rebels ARE Muslim
As are the Palestinitian terrorists in Israel
So, while you did add a number of non-muslim terrorists to the list, you did also add 2 more mulsim groups.
Tell me, why did you leave out the Oklahoma City bombing??
I thought that was quite obvious. I was showing the 95% of terrorists are muslim. I have many more examples if you’d like them.
I appreciate you also trying to find examples of the other 5%, but the point of the post was the “majority” of terrorists.
Hope that this clears things up.
As far as your “hating muslims” thing goes, when muslim terrorists kill 3,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and friendly, that’s your choice. But when those of a certain religious group have threatened to kill you and your family, you have to take a look at what religious group is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who my enemy is.
Rune Blade
you havent proven anything. even if ALL terrorists are muslims, that does not translate into All muslims are terrorists. you would have to prove that seperately, which you havent at all
additionally, you are listing several events perpetrated by several groups. if we looked at more detail at the IRA, balkan groups, the ETA, etc. we could find PLENTY of specific examples to counter your list. you havent proven anything. and your hatred towards muslims in general, based on the actions of a very small minority is the worst logic ever. by that token, arabs should all hate whites because of the Abu Gharib. Vietnamese should hate all whites because of My Lai. Indians should hate all whites because of the british (i forget the name of the massacre). etc. your logic does not stand up to any scrutiny, and you havent proven anything at all.
Thank you, Janus. By RB’s logic, all white protestants should be looked upon as Nazi’s. How does it feel to be a Jew murdering facist, RB? Oh… do you need me to list out how whites have harassed, discriminized and murdered those of other faiths and ethnicities? Would you like me to put it in a pop quiz so you may understand it in dumbass fashion since that’s the way you like to communicate it? Yeah,… since 95% of America’s serial killers are white and many of them came from Christian faith, that must mean we should assume all whites are. Well, you can live in your bubble and assume all Christians are safe while your kids are getting molested by priests. So it comes down to one thing. Us or them. What great choices, RB! I love it. Have fun in your bubble. I know I will in mine.
You know, we seem to be proving that the best way to kill a terrorists is with a sniper, not an air strike.
Otherwise let’s just unleash against Oregon and Idaho (all of those damn survivalists that believe in the Constitution), New Engalnd and California (all those damn liberals that engage in terror via the courts), the South since they are just itching to seceed again, Texas for having so many criminals that they have to execute more people than any other sate… and of course everyone else in the world for not being a WASP Republican!
… and in the Electon fo the next President of the World, Jay Thomas Cockroach is elected over his opponent Juan Fire Ant by 45,678,985,567,342 to 25,465, 928,201.
It seems to me that RB is being EXTREMELY narrow in his definition of “terrorist”. Â
In Canada - the FLQ, in Japan - the shining path, in central America hundreds of terrorist acts committed by “Catholic” drug runners etc., in Spain - the Basques, in N.Ireland/UK the IRA and it goes on and on. Â In the US yes, you have some terrorists of Islamic background, but neither McVeigh nor Kazinski were Islamic. Â Neither are the people who terrorize their schools and post-offices etc. with guns Islamic. Â This is the problem with people like RB - they rarely see outside of their narrow sphere. Â Open your eyes. Â The world is much bigger than America and your little worldview.
I wonder if the scale of Islamic terrorist acts even comes close to the number of Iraqi civilians that the US and coalition forces have murdered. Â
Yes RB, we need to be more underrrrstanding and open minded! :lol:
Im in a good mood, so ill be nice. :mrgreen: CC, do you honestly believe that? or are you just jelous that your army is smaller than NYCs police force, and our military kicks ass? :mrgreen:
Eisenhower would cry if he could hear you.
anyone seen “Why we fight”? … wait, i’ll make that “anyone with a brain” … wait, i’ll make that “anyone with a working brain who also uses it to think” …
As far as your “hating muslims” thing goes, when muslim terrorists kill 3,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and friendly, that’s your choice. But when those of a certain religious group have threatened to kill you and your family, you have to take a look at what religious group is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who my enemy is.
You must really hate alchohol, because, the hting goes, when drunk drivers kill 17,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and sober, that’s your choice. But when those who choose to consume alchohol threaten to kill you and your family, you will have to take a look at what beverage is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who is dangerous.
Its not the alcohal that kills them, its the irresponsible moron that does.
It’s not the Muslim that kills them, it’s the irresponsible fanatic that does.
I’m curious. For those of you who support RB’s comment (I guess that’s RB, IL, and Marine), how many Muslims do you know? Have you ever read the Koran, and have you ever gone to a mosque?
Just to clarify something, Ncsc, when I referred to Israel, I was actually talking about Israel itself and the charges of state terrorism. I don’t necessarily agree with this concept, but it serves to show how loose the idea of terrorism and terrorist can be. Also, as I’ve said elsewhere, it was the Israelis who first brought terrorism to the Middle East after 1948 with the killing of the UN representative. As far as I know, the only religion that has not resorted to terrorism in the name of holy war or “civilization” are Buddhists, although the Tibetan rearguard action against China may disqualify that remark.
As for the Chechens, I was making a similar point, but thank you for the correction. I tend to think of the Muslim element as tangential to the conflict, as I find it’s much more of a separatist movement rather than a religious movement, so I overlooked that. Thanks again!
Yanny, the fanatic is a muslim, the irresponsible moron is not alcohol.
yes I have read the Quaran, and yes I have known Muslim men. I have not been in a mousque, but I have been near one.
But is it the alchohol who kills someone in a drunk driving accident or is it the irresponsible moron?
Is it the religion who commits the acts of terrorism or is it the crazy fanatic?
