It my favorite series on youtube so far. I really hope they do a WW2 series.
Losing the War Osammy bint Ladin offers truce…
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Interesting viewpoint, Chengora.
Another possibililty I’ve thought of is that it isn’t OBL at all. Could be disinformation/propaganda from the CIA to either confuse and misdirect AQ or (hopefully not) for political purposes at home now that GWB’s ratings are low. It is after all, the CIA who has determined the voice is that of OBL…although I haven’t heard anyone else say it was not.Â
Could also be some crackpot in Pakistan who sounds like OBL, doing this as a joke as well I suppose…
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I think that recent missile that basically killed 4 of his main thugs in a location they thought was “safe” put a real concern on his mind… WE are doing a better job at paying off peeps to give us information and eventually if we keep playing a one armed bandit, were gonna skrike that Al queda jackpot and send him to meet the 72 waiting virgins…
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221b, your CIA theory is something that I had thought about. In reality, the CIA could easily fake one of these tapes, because the media looks toward the CIA for authentication.
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It is true the CIA authenticates the voice recordings. However, other intelligence groups, such as for the British, French, Israel, etc. also do this type of work. If one of these other agencies stated they did not beleive the voice to be that of OBL, then I would hope the media would have reported that fact. There have been differing opinions on past recordings allegedly from OBL, and I doubt that proof of authenticity of a voice recording is reliable…its probably more art than science.
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You know, RB… you should have said, “do not trust the terrorist.” Adding the word muslim sides on being prejudice which wouldn’t surprise me at all. It’s little side notes like this that pushes me further and further away from Christianity. One of many many reasons I left the church and ceased to be a Christian.
Please answer this multiple choice questionaire before responding:
1. The terrorists on 9/11 were:
a. The boy scouts
b. The ACLU
c. Canadians
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.2. The Bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 was done by:
a. The Irish
b. The girl scouts
c. Germans
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.3. The bombing of the USS Cole was done by:
a. Postal workers.
b. Playboy centerfolds.
c. Germans.
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.4. Suicide bombers in Israel are:
a. Postal workers.
b. Disgruntaled ground hogs.
c. British.
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.5. The bombings in Africa in the 1990s were committed by:
a. UCLA
b. Canadians
c. Mexicans
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.6. Terrorists in Iraq who are cutting people’s heads off are:
a. Canadians
b. Brazilians
c. Disgruntaled CNN workers due to declining ratings
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.7. Killers of Iraqi school children are:
a. Woodchucks
b. Mexicans
c. the ACLU
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.8. The bombings in Bali were commited by:
a. Postal workers
b. Mexicans
c. Irish immigrants
d. Muslims between the ages of 18 and 35.I could go on, but I feel that this quiz is quite redundant.
If you answered D for all of these, then congratulations, you have identified which part of the world poses the greatest danger to peace and freedom of individuals. If you missed any of these, shame on you. You haven’t been paying attention to world events.
This little quiz is designed to show that approximately 95% of the worlds terrorists are……muslim. Sorry if this offends, but this is the truth. Sometimes, the truth hurts those that do not want to admit it.
Rune Blade
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RB,
While certainly the muslem world generates many terrorists, SP is right. You are making a connection that I feel is unfounded. For example, to illustrate that not all terrorists are muslems, note that the OKC bomber was not a muslem. Nor was the Unibomber.  To illustrate that not all muslems are terrorists, do the math: approx 1000 muslem terrorists compared to approx 1 billion muslems = a muslem terrorist is truely one in a million. Now maybe there are more than 1000 muslem terrorists…but you should get my point that they are the vast minority of muslems.
SP,
I have to point out that you fall into the same bad logic when you make statements like:
It’s little side notes like this that pushes me further and further away from Christianity.
Do you know RB is a christian? Even if he is, you are taking him to be representative of all christians which is not correct. Now you are within your rights to move away from Christianity for any reason…but do you really want to do so based on poor logic? As a Christian, I also take some offense that you consider me (without even knowing me) to have biased views on Muslems…which I hope I do not. Now maybe in your experience you have found only Christians who are not worthy of that name and base your decision on that. If so, then I am sorry there are so many poor examples of Christians.
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Hey Rune! thats a truly awesome post!!! LOL :-D good job…
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Tell me, why did you leave out the Oklahoma City bombing??
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@221B:
Do you know RB is a christian? Even if he is, you are taking him to be representative of all christians which is not correct. Now you are within your rights to move away from Christianity for any reason…but do you really want to do so based on poor logic? As a Christian, I also take some offense that you consider me (without even knowing me) to have biased views on Muslems…which I hope I do not. Now maybe in your experience you have found only Christians who are not worthy of that name and base your decision on that. If so, then I am sorry there are so many poor examples of Christians.
You know 221b, you’re right. I am sorry for that. However, I see from the point of view that most Christians have a very hostile view towards those of other religions. I do observe that the others are no better. Yet, the point I was making is the fact I will not be dictated by people of one faith because of their bad talking on another. I see Christians do it all the time as do Muslims. This extreme bitterness between religions, to me, is the downfall of what I was raised to believe. I do believe in God. I do pray. Yet Christ, nor Allah, nor Yahweh, nor any other version I will accept based on the fact that the followers have no respect for one another. At least that is what my eyes tell me as I read statements like RB’s and hear the same from friends who are part of the Muslim Nation. It’s sad and I will take no part in it.
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Beyond Oklahoma City, how about the IRA, ETA, Rwanda, any group in the Balkans, the Chechans, Israel, the Stern Gang, non-government militias…I could go on and on, except that I’ll note that the definition of a terrorist has been remarkably fluid, and it wasn’t started by the Muslims. All civilizations have at some point terrorized, and they all come to grips with it more or, often, less.
I must go now, but I’ll write more next week.
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@stuka:
… I will not be dictated by people of one faith because of their bad talking on another…Yet Christ, nor Allah, nor Yahweh, nor any other version I will accept based on the fact that the followers have no respect for one another. At least that is what my eyes tell me … It’s sad and I will take no part in it.
This I certainly agree with. These “Christians”, “Muslems”, “Jews”, or whatever, who have no respect for another faith are not being true to the faith they profess. It is very sad and I am glad you want no part of this.
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A quick note on Chengora’s post…
The Chechen rebels ARE Muslim
As are the Palestinitian terrorists in IsraelSo, while you did add a number of non-muslim terrorists to the list, you did also add 2 more mulsim groups.
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Tell me, why did you leave out the Oklahoma City bombing??
I thought that was quite obvious. I was showing the 95% of terrorists are muslim. I have many more examples if you’d like them.
I appreciate you also trying to find examples of the other 5%, but the point of the post was the “majority” of terrorists.
Hope that this clears things up.
As far as your “hating muslims” thing goes, when muslim terrorists kill 3,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and friendly, that’s your choice. But when those of a certain religious group have threatened to kill you and your family, you have to take a look at what religious group is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who my enemy is.
Rune Blade
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you havent proven anything. even if ALL terrorists are muslims, that does not translate into All muslims are terrorists. you would have to prove that seperately, which you havent at all
additionally, you are listing several events perpetrated by several groups. if we looked at more detail at the IRA, balkan groups, the ETA, etc. we could find PLENTY of specific examples to counter your list. you havent proven anything. and your hatred towards muslims in general, based on the actions of a very small minority is the worst logic ever. by that token, arabs should all hate whites because of the Abu Gharib. Vietnamese should hate all whites because of My Lai. Indians should hate all whites because of the british (i forget the name of the massacre). etc. your logic does not stand up to any scrutiny, and you havent proven anything at all.
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Thank you, Janus. By RB’s logic, all white protestants should be looked upon as Nazi’s. How does it feel to be a Jew murdering facist, RB? Oh… do you need me to list out how whites have harassed, discriminized and murdered those of other faiths and ethnicities? Would you like me to put it in a pop quiz so you may understand it in dumbass fashion since that’s the way you like to communicate it? Yeah,… since 95% of America’s serial killers are white and many of them came from Christian faith, that must mean we should assume all whites are. Well, you can live in your bubble and assume all Christians are safe while your kids are getting molested by priests. So it comes down to one thing. Us or them. What great choices, RB! I love it. Have fun in your bubble. I know I will in mine.
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You know, we seem to be proving that the best way to kill a terrorists is with a sniper, not an air strike.
Otherwise let’s just unleash against Oregon and Idaho (all of those damn survivalists that believe in the Constitution), New Engalnd and California (all those damn liberals that engage in terror via the courts), the South since they are just itching to seceed again, Texas for having so many criminals that they have to execute more people than any other sate… and of course everyone else in the world for not being a WASP Republican!
… and in the Electon fo the next President of the World, Jay Thomas Cockroach is elected over his opponent Juan Fire Ant by 45,678,985,567,342 to 25,465, 928,201.
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It seems to me that RB is being EXTREMELY narrow in his definition of “terrorist”. Â
In Canada - the FLQ, in Japan - the shining path, in central America hundreds of terrorist acts committed by “Catholic” drug runners etc., in Spain - the Basques, in N.Ireland/UK the IRA and it goes on and on. Â In the US yes, you have some terrorists of Islamic background, but neither McVeigh nor Kazinski were Islamic. Â Neither are the people who terrorize their schools and post-offices etc. with guns Islamic. Â This is the problem with people like RB - they rarely see outside of their narrow sphere. Â Open your eyes. Â The world is much bigger than America and your little worldview.
I wonder if the scale of Islamic terrorist acts even comes close to the number of Iraqi civilians that the US and coalition forces have murdered. Â -
Yes RB, we need to be more underrrrstanding and open minded! :lol:
Im in a good mood, so ill be nice. :mrgreen: CC, do you honestly believe that? or are you just jelous that your army is smaller than NYCs police force, and our military kicks ass? :mrgreen:
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Eisenhower would cry if he could hear you.
anyone seen “Why we fight”? … wait, i’ll make that “anyone with a brain” … wait, i’ll make that “anyone with a working brain who also uses it to think” …
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As far as your “hating muslims” thing goes, when muslim terrorists kill 3,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and friendly, that’s your choice. But when those of a certain religious group have threatened to kill you and your family, you have to take a look at what religious group is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who my enemy is.
You must really hate alchohol, because, the hting goes, when drunk drivers kill 17,000 of your countrymen without provocation, it comes down to two things: You or them and it’s not going to be me or my family. If you want to live in a bubble where you think the world is nice and sober, that’s your choice. But when those who choose to consume alchohol threaten to kill you and your family, you will have to take a look at what beverage is doing that. The answer should be obvious. What you do with it is up to you. I for one want to know who is dangerous.
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