13L G40 Boldfresh vs. hobo (allies +5)

[hobo]

Of course, both destroyers hit.

Why can’t I load from portugal and unload in gilbratar?  There’s no sea units there.  triplea glitch?

[boldfresh]

no, your transports were involved in the battle.  therefore they cannot be used in noncom.  i am really really surprised you are not aware of that rule if you were so dominant in AA50 - it hasn’t changed.

[boldfresh]

bottom line, if the seazone is hostile at the start of your turn, the transports in that zone cannot be used in noncom, period.  if you do not want them to end in that zone, then they must leave the zone in combat move, but then their turn is over wherever they stop.

[boldfresh]

that’s why it’s so powerful for german to own spain and have an IC.  :wink:

[hobo]

They weren’t part of combat, except for the one that dropped to gib… so I had to load them during combat phase then unload during ncm?

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - Americans

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports in 91 Sea Zone, round 1 :  4/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 91 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                    1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 104 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Germans with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Eastern United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Gibraltar: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Eastern United States: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Gibraltar: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 4 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            3 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal

Place Units - Americans
            5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 71 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Queensland : 1 bomber and 2 fighters
    Guam : 1 airfield
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
    Hawaiian Islands : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    54 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters
    Central United States : 1 factory_major
    Central America : 1 harbour
    Eastern United States : 1 airfield, 5 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Gibraltar : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 tactical_bomber
    Portugal : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
    91 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 11 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

Nevermind I’ll change plans then… annoying  :|

Only difference is gib won’t hold now  :|

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs total

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Tsinghai : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

They weren’t part of combat, except for the one that dropped to gib… so I had to load them during combat phase then unload during ncm?

No, you can’t load them during the combat phase OR the noncombat phase with the transports that were in 91 at the start of your turn.  You would need a transport from another zone to come in during the noncombat phase to get them.

It was the same in AA50 - that rule is 4 1/2 years old

[hobo]

Actually that still doesn’t sound right since those transports weren’t part of combat since they didn’t amp invade.  Can I get a ruling on this before I move the brits?

[boldfresh]

No rush you can get a ruling but gamer is a rules authority.  If only krieg will suffice then go ahead and ask.  It is for sure already covered in the faq but I know its long and nearly impenetrable.

Cheers

[hobo]

Ok I’ll change my US ncm slightly then.

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

Actually that still doesn’t sound right since those transports weren’t part of combat since they didn’t amp invade.

They were in the zone, they were part of the combat.  That’s the rationale Krieghund has given.

You must move them out of the zone in combat movement to avoid combat.  If you do that, they can’t do anything in noncombat.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Queensland: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Central America: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 123 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Portugal: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Iceland: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United Kingdom: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 91 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Western United States: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Western United States: 1 armour
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Eastern United States: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Tsinghai : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 harbour; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour moved from Kenya to Ethiopia
                  British take Ethiopia from Italians
            1 armour moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
                  UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan
            2 fighters moved from India to Yunnan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kenya to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Combat - British
            Battle in Western Germany
                British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Western Germany, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany
                British converts factory_major into different units
                British win, taking Western Germany from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                British attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 1 :  3/5 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 2 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 artillery
                    British roll dice for 2 armour, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 2 armour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            5 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            3 fighters moved from Yunnan to Burma
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kenya to Persia
            3 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Portugal to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 carrier placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 harbour placed in Iceland
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2
            British collect 41 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 43 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 destroyer placed in 39 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,2,1,6,6,4
            UK_Pacific collect 4 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 destroyer

Territory Summary for British, UK_Pacific :

Yunnan : 1 infantry
    Shan State : 1 infantry
    Burma : 3 aaGuns, 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 17 infantry
    India : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 6 infantry
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    39 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Belgian Congo : 1 tactical_bomber
    Iceland : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Quebec : 1 factory_minor
    Gibraltar : 1 harbour
    New Brunswick Nova Scotia : 1 harbour
    Union of South Africa : 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    British Guiana : 5 infantry
    Scotland : 1 airfield
    United Kingdom : 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 13 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 2 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Rhodesia : 3 infantry
    Western Germany : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Ethiopia : 1 flag
    Portugal : 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    112 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    125 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Chile : 1 flag, 1 armour and 2 infantry
    Afghanistan : 1 flag
    Mozambique : 1 flag
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Argentina : 1 flag
    Angola : 1 flag
    Eastern Persia : 1 flag
    Brazil : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Venezuela : 1 flag
    Persia : 1 flag, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    91 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 transports
    110 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 63 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 4 / 3
    British : 43 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 7 / 6
    Italians : 21 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

3 out of 3 @2, how am I not surprised  :lol:

wait count the usa turn and it’s 5 out of 5  :evil:

[boldfresh]

you get no sympathy from me - these are the kind of dice i normally face…  :evil:

[hobo]

You can start getting them in your other games then and not against me  :-P.  This is more my bad luck than you good based on my dicing record(yes I keep cumulative counts for each game).

Spain is annoying but I still don’t think it’s the best axis strategy.  It’s about to get leveled  :lol:

[boldfresh]

you can’t possibly have 1 inf and 1 aa on gib.  you can’t bring the aa in on combat move.

[boldfresh]

hard to follow what you are doing there with all the edits.  you took it on combat move with 2 inf right?