@Clyde85:
Project? I dont think so, you should avoid making psychological analysis of people based on a post in a board game forum.
Then perhaps you should stop projecting your own bias onto those you with whom you disagree. When you start throwing accusations at me as you have done, then you can expect my response to be blunt. It is you and Gargantua that have made the “wouldn’t have a chance” type statements with no real support–not the other side. So if anyone has completely discounted the other side, it is the anti-US faction.
It’s not really rubbish, I mean, the Yamato has already (hypothetically) gone up against the Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto and the German Bismark and beaten them both.
Neither of those boats had the advantages that the Missouri has. You have failed to demonstrate a double standard.
At no time during those two encounters was any mention made about the Yamato’s armour being inferior WW1 grade stuff or about her 18in gun shells having faulty fuses. Now I could see the counter to the armour be that both the German and Italian ships using the same grade armour as the Yamato so not really being a factor in those two battles. However the Yamato’s big gun shells being faulty and not detonating when hitting their targets is a BIG problem. How would she have been able to beat the Germans and Italians if her ammunition was faulty? Why was this major flaw only brought up when she was facing the American Missiouri? It seems like something like that would have see the Yamato getting knocked out way eariler, if not against the Italians then definitely by the Germans. However it seems to only matter when she is fighting the Americans.
The design of the Japanese AP round was intended to penetrate for water line based hits as I understand it and therefore deployed a long delay fuse. That is problematic for this engagement, with the design of the “overweight” American round exceeding that of the Japanese round. (This year/type 91 design apparently was an even bigger problem in the projectiles for the 8" IJN heavy cruisers.) It doesn’t eliminate all of the mass based differences that favor the Japanese round, but it does make the comparison more of a toss up than it would be otherwise.
Since neither the Germans nor Italians employed US based ammunition (or radar or fire control, etc.) and the Bismark fired a round much less massive (only 1764 lb) and only 15" guns how does this in any way support your claim of bias?
Now in past battles the Missiouris big advantage has been having superior armour and greater range with its guns over its opponents. Granted that is an extrealy simplified version of the argument but this is what it basically boils down to when we’re talking naval battles. Now that the roles are reversed and the Missiouri is facing a ship that has greater range and thicker armour you argue fervently that these things dont matter, and dis-credit the Yamato for having these things.
That is worse than crap, it is a lie. There was no need to go into greater detail in the other comparisons (same as for the Yamato) because the opposition lacked any offsetting advantages. One has to sharpen the pencil when the match up is close…as in the defeat of the French BB at the hands of the Bismarck and the reasons I gave for it being so. But apparently you were applying some sort of double standard there because I didn’t hear you complaining that the French boat had thicker armour (belt, turrets, deck) and heavier rounds (1949 lb) and therefore should win. (Perhaps I missed your defense and conclusion that the Bismark would lose.)
This is just my observation but it seems like a bit of a double standard is being applied here to favor the American ship.
It seems that you are the one applying the double standard.
But I’m still waiting for you to explain how the Yamato is going to win the match up. If there is a compelling case to be made on the merits of the ship, make it. (At present it appears that you can’t support your argument and instead are resorting to impugning the character of others.)
I tried to make a case for the Yamato, but it still seems to come up short. If someone can explain how the case could be made better, I’m all ears.