How would you have escaped from the Battle of Dunkirk, if you had to?

  • '17 '16

    @Wolfshanze:

    Well keeping with the times of everyone is offended by everything…
    [/[b]sarcasm off] :-P


  • I’d use this of course…;)


  • @Der:

    I’d use this of course…;)

    Looks to me like a first-class war-winning device, probably designed under some obscure code-name by the British Admiralty’s Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development.  It’s not by accident that Britannia has traditionally ruled the waves.  Germany, in contrast with Britain, was a land power rather than a sea power, and at the time of Dunkirk could only call upon the weapon illustrated below, which is constructed of similar strategic materials but which lacked adequate buoyancy to have made a successful Sea Lion operation possible.

    Tricycle.jpg

  • '17 '16

    @CWO:

    Looks to me like a first-class war-winning device, probably designed under some obscure code-name by the British Admiralty’s Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development. It’s not by accident that Britannia has traditionally ruled the waves. Germany, in contrast with Britain, was a land power rather than a sea power, and at the time of Dunkirk could only call upon the weapon illustrated below, which is constructed of similar strategic materials but which lacked adequate buoyancy to have made a successful Sea Lion operation possible.

    You obviously failed to count on German ingenuity… I’m sure they could have used arm-floaties while peddling this device across the Channel while pursuing the British.

    What is even more interesting, is that two people on this forum clicked on your picture to study it in greater detail.


  • @Wolfshanze:

    What is even more interesting, is that two people on this forum clicked on your picture to study it in greater detail.

    In the interests of full disclosure, I was one of them.  I wanted to make sure it expanded properly when clicked.


  • @CWO:

    In the interests of full disclosure, I was one of them.  I wanted to make sure it expanded properly when clicked.

    I just clicked on it to see if it said “Krupp Manufacturing” on the tire…


  • @Wolfshanze:

    You obviously failed to count on German ingenuity… I’m sure they could have used arm-floaties while peddling this device across the Channel while pursuing the British.

    Actually, I’ve just done a little extra research in the question of arm-floaties and it looks like this is another area where Goering can shoulder some blame for being counter-productive to the German war effort.  It’s already well-known that Goering wanted the Luftwaffe rather than the panzers to have the honour of finishing off the BEF at Dunkirk, and it’s also well-known that Goering – whose policy as boss of the Luftwaffe was that everything which flew in the German armed forces should be under his jurisdiction – hampered the Kriegsmarine in its efforts to develop a naval aviation service and an aircraft carrier force.  What isn’t as well known is that Goering had a similar policy towards arm-floaties: his view was that arms floaties were sufficiently similar to zeppelins – both in terms of their underlying technology and their general shape – to justify placing Germany’s new Bureau of Arm Buoyancy Devices (Armschwimmfahigkeitgeratsamt) under the control of the Luftwaffe rather than the Army.  Guderian strongly opposed this idea; he personally told Hitler that Goering was full of hot air and that his claims were inflated, but Hitler sided with Goering, who in turn made sure that the manufacturing output of arm floaties remained low and that virtually none of the completed units reached the Army.  Had Hitler instead sided with Guderian during that fateful conversation, a German invasion of Britain might well have succeded.

    Floatie and Zeppelin.jpg

  • '17 '16

    Ummm… :?

    ok, you win… :-o

    @CWO:

    placing Germany’s new Bureau of Arm Buoyancy Devices (Armschwimmfahigkeitgeratsamt) under the control of the Luftwaffe rather than the Army.

    Amazing research, btw… Armschwimmfahigkeitgeratsamt…

    @CWO:

    Guderian strongly opposed this idea; he personally told Hitler that Goering was full of hot air and that his claims were inflated

    See pic, below
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  • @Wolfshanze:

    Amazing research, btw… Armschwimmfahigkeitgeratsamt…

    One of my favourite non-invented German words is the term that Germany used in WWI to designate tanks: Schutzengrabenvernichtungspanzerkampfwagen, or, roughly, “trench-destroying armoured fighting car.”  German tanks of WWI were physically as cumbersome as that term, so in preparation for WWII Germany devised more practical tanks and a more practical designation (“Panzer”).  Unfortunately for Germany, the American, British and Russian words for this type of weapon – “tank” – consists of only one syllable, whereas “Panzer” has two syllables, so the US, UK and USSR armoured forces in principle had a 50% advantage over the German armoured forces in speed of pronunciation.  On the other hand, the French word “char” only consists of one syllable too, so in principle the French and German armoured forces should have fought each other to a draw in May-June 1940…so clearly this theory doesn’t hold up in reality as well as it ought to on paper.


  • @CWO:

    @Wolfshanze:

    Amazing research, btw… Armschwimmfahigkeitgeratsamt…

    One of my favourite non-invented German words is the term that Germany used in WWI to designate tanks: Schutzengrabenvernichtungspanzerkampfwagen, or, roughly, “trench-destroying armoured fighting car.”  German tanks of WWI were physically as cumbersome as that term, so in preparation for WWII Germany devised more practical tanks and a more practical designation (“Panzer”).  Unfortunately for Germany, the American, British and Russian words for this type of weapon – “tank” – consists of only one syllable, whereas “Panzer” has two syllables, so the US, UK and USSR armoured forces in principle had a 50% advantage over the German armoured forces in speed of pronunciation.  On the other hand, the French word “char” only consists of one syllable too, so in principle the French and German armoured forces should have fought each other to a draw in May-June 1940…so clearly this theory doesn’t hold up in reality as well as it ought to on paper.

    ROFLOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

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