XDAP Semifinal: JDOW+ME1945 vs Adam+AxisDominion Allies+35

[JDOW]

Well remembered. It was 47% and -9 for China, but 60% and -1,5 in case the US bomber would have hit in a suicide mission before.

[Adam514]

I strongly believe that the side that won sz19 would win the game. Without those tps and capital ships there’s no way Japan would get back the DEI, and even Philippines would have to be traded at best.

The best I found was 43% on turn 3, those aren’t good enough odds really, in that position.

Not sure what you expect from Russia in vanilla  :lol:, but we also had to choose between denying Germany from getting Caucasus and Volgograd for a few turns or countering the Japanese push on India, since they were in sync. After that Russia can’t be pushy.

Likewise!

[JDOW]

Yeah, without the 4 TTs Japan would have had a hard time to become a real threat. We would have not conceded in case the Russians would have finished off but very likely been behind after that.

Re Russia: I tend to keep the tanks in Europe and buy more fast and powerful units in order to challenge the German position next to a Russian stack more. Even willing to sack some inf+aa to block Italian can opener off if important. The downside is of course Moscow being less of a fortress then.

In the end your strategy was to get Japan down and holding Moscow in order to let rich US do the Job against the Germans. And it almost worked, MARTI made a decision though^^

[JDOW]

Yeah, without the 4 TTs Japan would have had a hard time to become a real threat. We would have not conceded in case the Russians would have finished off but very likely been behind after that.

Actually I stated the opposite on top^^ I guess the game would have been winnable for both sides after Russians clear sz19, still believing Axis had a potent position, but so had the Allies too.

[Me1945]

Thanks for the game guys. Overall the luck was in our side. Don’t go to casinos. :-)

[Me1945]

@Adam514:

It was a great game for my last vanilla game, thanks.

How about 2016 league play off?

[Adam514]

@Me1945:

@Adam514:

It was a great game for my last vanilla game, thanks.

How about 2016 league play off?

After releasing BM to the public I had the firm intention of not starting another vanilla (league) game, and that would also apply to the playoffs. I doubt I would participate in them if they are vanilla, and they should be vanilla since that’s how the league year started (unless everyone wants BM). That’s why I won’t mind sitting out the playoffs this year.

[Me1945]

You believe the game is still unbalances even with the extra 100 PU for Allies?

[Adam514]

You mean with a 100 bid? Allies would probably win, just because they have enough bid to skew all battles in their favor for the first few rounds, as if they were dicing Axis.

However, BM is not only about balance. It’s about improving gameplay and making use of the map a lot better than vanilla does. Both sides have a lot more options at their disposal, and it definitely breathes new life into G40 if ever that was needed.

[Me1945]

I am not blaming BM rules. Honestly, I did not even read it. You might be right.
The point is, instead of blaming the original rules and skipping the league final you may want to think about higher bid.

[Adam514]

Bids can pretty much fix any balance problem, but there comes a certain point when the bid significantly reduces the gameplay and fun factor. Why would I go back to a version of the game I appreciate less? You can think of it as if you had the choice between Revised and G40 (if you came from Revised).

[Me1945]

OK.

I strongly believe that the side that won sz19 would win the game.

Another thing I feel I am not following you. Let’s assume the luck finally kissed you and Rus won sz19 with, say, a plane remaining.
Adam, I offer you to continue this game out of the XDAP with this assumption. We can count it as the league game, if you want.

[Adam514]

@Me1945:

OK.

I strongly believe that the side that won sz19 would win the game.

Another thing I feel I am not following you. Let’s assume the luck finally kissed you and Rus won sz19 with, say, a plane remaining.
Adam, I offer you to continue this game out of the XDAP with this assumption. We can count it as the league game, if you want.

You think Axis still have the advantage? The attack was pretty much the worst it could be for an Allied win there, all Japanese planes survived.

Let’s continue here as a casual game, I’m curious to see what you have planned.

[Adam514]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Suiyuyan to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
                  Russians take Bryansk from Germans
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Tsinghai
            1 infantry moved from Shensi to Tsinghai
            1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Tsinghai

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Kazakhstan
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians win, taking Kazakhstan from Italians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tsinghai
                Russians attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Tsinghai from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 19 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 4 transports
                Japanese win with 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 4 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21
                Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 19 Sea Zone: 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 4 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Jehol: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Tobruk from Italians to Russians
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine moved from 105 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Tobruk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kansu to Suiyuyan
            1 fighter moved from Kazakhstan to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Samara
            1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu

Place Units - Russians
            8 infantry placed in Russia
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 10 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Samara: 10 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 26 PUs

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[JDOW]

Btw: What now? Does anybody report the win? Is Garg around? According to the bracket we’d have to play nerqueen plus ally. However, as far as I know, nerqueen quit playing A&A?

[Adam514]

@JDOW:

Btw: What now? Does anybody report the win? Is Garg around? According to the bracket we’d have to play nerqueen plus ally. However, as far as I know, nerqueen quit playing A&A?

I sent a message to nerquen after we lost and he answered. I’m pretty sure nerquen is continuing the XDAP, he just left the league.

[JDOW]

Excellent, thanks!

[Me1945]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                  Japanese take 35 Sea Zone from ANZAC
                  Japanese take 44 Sea Zone from Americans
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            2 mech_infantrys moved from French Indo China to Kweichow
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Hopei
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Hunan to Chahar
            1 armour moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 artillery moved from Hunan to Kweichow
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to Chahar
            1 fighter moved from Hunan to Shensi
            2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Shensi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Hunan to Hopei
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Chahar

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 1 fighter
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 fighter in Shensi, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Chahar
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Chahar, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar
                Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Paulau Island
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                Americans defend with 1 bomber
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in Paulau Island, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 bomber in Paulau Island, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in Paulau Island, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 bomber in Paulau Island, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter in Paulau Island, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 bomber in Paulau Island, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Paulau Island
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
            Battle in Hopei
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hopei, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Chinese, 2 infantry owned by the Chinese, 1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Jehol
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 fighter; Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Jehol, round 2 :  1/7 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Jehol, round 3 :  2/6 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Jehol, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Russians lost in Jehol
                Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys in Kweichow, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Celebes
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Celebes, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Celebes, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Americans, 1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Celebes
                Japanese win, taking Celebes from Americans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 artillery moved from Manchuria to Korea
            1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 fighter moved from Jehol to Japan
            1 fighter moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from India to Burma
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            1 bomber moved from Chahar to Manchuria
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Manchuria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            2 bombers moved from Shensi to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Hopei to Kiangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Anhwe
            1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 infantry placed in Manchuria
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 36 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 48 PUs; end with 48 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Shan State: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag
    Korea : 1 artillery
    Kiangsu : 1 flag
    Kiangsi : 1 flag, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 flag, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    Yunnan : 1 flag
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag
    Chahar : 1 flag, 2 mech_infantrys
    Anhwe : 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Shan State : 1 flag, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
    Burma : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    India : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Celebes : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    41 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    44 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    46 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    36 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
    34 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
    39 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    6 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    55 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    West India : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 64 / 87
    Russians : 19 / 26
    Japanese : 48 / 53
    Americans : 61 / 93
    Chinese : 5 / 12
    British : 29 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 17
    ANZAC : 18 / 20
    French : 6 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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[Me1945]

You think Axis still have the advantage?

I merely disagree that sz19 battle’s result makes the game per your statement. Let’s see.

[Adam514]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            3 bombers moved from Gibraltar to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Norway to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Norway to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 112 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Norway to Finland
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 125 Sea Zone

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