• Japan doesn’t really have to defend her “rear” as its pretty difficult for the US to get enough TT in position to land on Tokyo and claim it before the late-midgame. In fact, not saying its not possible, but I have seen Tokyo fall once.  However that was more out of a “to say I did it” than anything else as the Pacific board was decide many turns before that occurred.

    You do have to be cognizant of Convoys on SZ6 as it does represent income loss, but it also requires the US to maintain ships there, which are easily accessible via Flip if you base your fleet out of there.  Perhaps the biggest threat is a US minor in Korea, but even that is negligible if you’ve already subdued China, choked India and laid claim to the DEI.  Particularly because you would be focused on finishing off your VC wins and the Allies would be focusing on protecting Hawaii and Sydney and not maintaining a convoy on you if you elect to clear those SS out.

    Honestly after you vacate SZ6 and have established your Minors elsewhere any attacks on Tokyo’s Major are not as significant as say West Germany, Berlin or London getting SBR’d.  I wouldn’t sweat it if you’ve already positioned yourself with minors in other locations as I doubt you’ll be placing more than 6 units / round later in the game with Japan unless you expect the US to gambit on taking Tokyo before you can secure a VC win and feel putting a chunk of Inf on Tokyo would put a wrench in their plans.

    I’m not saying to just hand the US the convoy, keeping a DD or two and a Ftr on Tokyo forces the US to probably commit more than it wants to to establish a convoy outside of a US player putting the entire US fleet there.

  • '21 '19 '18 '17 '16

    To answer rmcbride’s question from the earlier page, yes, my J3 crush plan exploits the ability of a neutral Japan to move past any UK ships to end up in position adjacent to India.  Move while neutral in J2, then declare war in J3 if needed.  UK and ANZAC would have to declare war on UK1 to stop the fleet moving into position.


  • @Spendo02:

    @ghr2:

    Ur navy needs to be off malaya, and either burma or sumatra to prevent the block

    If you are willing, you can just use Aircraft and screening ships to clear the way and NCM through with the ships you don’t need for the invasion.  Food for thought for those of you facing blocking strategies.

    It still delays a turn, so it would be a J4 attack then.


  • @Eggman:

    @elzario:

    Taking the DEI (and attacking UK/ANZAC) does not result in war with the USA.� Only attacking USA will result in bringing them into the war

    That’s strictly true but very misleading, since what USA player is not going to DoW Japan as soon as they are allowed?

    Thats right, It is very misleading, because per the AAG40-2e rules on pg37, US, Political Situation, 3rd sentence “The US may NOT DOW on any axis pwr unless an Axis pwr DOW’s it 1st–-------------- or Japan makes an unprovoked DOW against the UK or ANZAC, after which the US can DOW any or all Axis pwrs on its following turn”.

    Thus, Eggman is right & kinda where my point was heading–“You’ve awakened a Sleeping Giant”  & what US player isn’t going to DOW Japan as soon as it can?  So in hitting the UK or ANZAC, you’ve just allowed the US to do what they’ve been waiting & building to do----jump into the War @ their earliest opportunity, which would be now—so Japs have to have their duck’s in order to prep for this, Just Saying  :-)

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    @rmcbride:

    Thus, Eggman is right & kinda where my point was heading–“You’ve awakened a Sleeping Giant”  & what US player isn’t going to DOW Japan as soon as it can?

    The fact that a Japanese attack on UK/ANZAC doesn’t instantly make them at war with the US matters slightly, though- since if Japan doesn’t also DoW the USA on that same turn, then the US units are still not hostile during Japan’s combat & non-combat movement.  Of course, I’ve never been in a game where Japan decided to DoW the UK/ANZAC only, but that is an option for them.


  • @Eggman:

    @rmcbride:

    Thus, Eggman is right & kinda where my point was heading–“You’ve awakened a Sleeping Giant”  & what US player isn’t going to DOW Japan as soon as it can?

    The fact that a Japanese attack on UK/ANZAC doesn’t instantly make them at war with the US matters slightly, though- since if Japan doesn’t also DoW the USA on that same turn, then the US units are still not hostile during Japan’s combat & non-combat movement.  Of course, I’ve never been in a game where Japan decided to DoW the UK/ANZAC only, but that is an option for them.

    But what advantage is this to Japan for this turn, since US will most likely DOW Japan on Next turn US right after Japan’s NCM?


  • @rmcbride:

    @Eggman:

    @rmcbride:

    Thus, Eggman is right & kinda where my point was heading–“You’ve awakened a Sleeping Giant”  & what US player isn’t going to DOW Japan as soon as it can?

    The fact that a Japanese attack on UK/ANZAC doesn’t instantly make them at war with the US matters slightly, though- since if Japan doesn’t also DoW the USA on that same turn, then the US units are still not hostile during Japan’s combat & non-combat movement.  Of course, I’ve never been in a game where Japan decided to DoW the UK/ANZAC only, but that is an option for them.

    But what advantage is this to Japan for this turn, since US will most likely DOW Japan on Next turn US right after Japan’s NCM?

    US can’t block of course.


  • I guess the potential for that being launching from the Carolines and taking Anzac first with US ships in position off Queensland?

    Bonus of being able to be the defending fleet if the US remains on their turn or forcing the US back to Hawaii to the nearest friendly NB?

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    @Spendo02:

    I guess the potential for that being launching from the Carolines and taking Anzac first with US ships in position off Queensland?

    Bonus of being able to be the defending fleet if the US remains on their turn or forcing the US back to Hawaii to the nearest friendly NB?

    Yes.  With added bonus of being able to afford taking the Carriers as early hits for Japan, since your Fighters can now land on Queensland.

  • '17 '16 '15 '14 '12

    rmcbride, replies below are in red….

    @rmcbride:

    @variance:

    This is what people usually mean when they say “J3 India crush”:

    J1 build 3 transports. �Take Chahar, Anhwe, Hunan, Yunnan. �Land all planes in Kwangsi and all fleet in z36 with transports loaded. �Leave FIC alone for now.

    J2 Declare war on all Allies. �Build airbase and naval base in Kwangsi. Sink destroyer in z37 and any other ships that could attack z36 or block transports route from z36 to z39. �Dump 3 transports and 2 Siam guys on Shan State. �Airstrike Burma or Malaya if necessary to stop any attack on shan. �Put fleet in z38 and 3 loaded transports in z36.

    J3 take India and land planes in shan state. �

    (or you could do what Spendo said and starve them while you walk down thru china)

    Hey Variance, I respect your play alot as I’ve read these threads & thanks for answering this one, so I would love to try this scenario also but have a few Q’s for you if you could expand on this––You were very detailed in your steps for this, so I’d like to be as detailed in my Q’s that this has prompted as well   :-)

    J1) 1)–when you say “land all planes in Kwansi”, I’m counting, for just land based units Japan starts with;8-fghtrs, 5-Tac’s & 2-Bombers. So these planes only or are you also talking about CV based fightrs as well?
    Land each and every plane you have in Kwangsi, except the 1 fighter from Korea that will land on a carrier next to Kwangsi. So that’s 10 fighters, 8 tacs, and 2 bombers, plus 1 fighter on the carrier.  The reason you put all your planes in Kwangsi is so you can airstrike Burma if they stack it.

    2)–all fleet in sz36;  do you mean EVERY available Sea unit?  & what about the units in sz33, as they obviously can’t make it on J1, as well as that would leave Caroline Island & its resources open to US invasion on US1?
    Each and every ship.  The ships in z33 can go through z35 because you are not yet at war with USA.

    3-transports loaded; I only count 3-trnsprts that Japan starts w/on the board; 1-sz6, 1-sz19 & 1-sz20.  So if I’m taking all my eastern China units to take out the 4-China territories you listed (that leaves the trns in sz20 w/o available units). So are you talking about just he one in sz6 or are you also loading the one from sz19 w/ units from Manchuria or Korea, which would make only 2 w/4-inf?  
    Bring 3 infantry, 2 artillery, 1 tank from Manchuria, Shantung, Japan.  Move everything else to Anhwe/Jehol

    J2) 1)–DOW on Allies—thats a Big One!  The US is definitely gonna come a runnin  :?     Which would beg the question–with all that loot now, what are the Germans & Italians gonna do to divert the Pacific attention  away from the US so the Japs can grab the Victory cities before US gets to big in the Pacific, since I presume that w/ the “Crush India” strategy, thats what this is about?
    G1 naval build for sealion threat

    2)–build Air & Naval in Kwangsi; I’m guessing that you have no fear of Kwangtung walking in w/one or 2 inf to Kwangsi to capture the unprotected Air & Naval just placed for a one round disruption of the plan (because then Hong Kong could just be taken on the next round anyway, Right?   & speaking of HK, when or what is the plan there?
    You have plenty of ground coming down from Anhwe

    3)–when you say "sink DD in sz37 & othr ships that could attack sz36; the sz37 is actually a BB–but ok.  Then there’s the US-DD & SS in sz35, are you just diverting 1-DD from the sz36 for the SS detection & then hitting them w/CV fighters for the wipe out?  & is this coming from the 1-CV from sz33 or what is your thinking there?
    By J2 the BB will be long gone and they will put the destroyer blocker there 99% of the time to save India for another turn

    4)–dumping 3-trns & Siam inf on Shan State; I presume those are the trans that were w/ the fleet from J1 (although I only had a possible count of 2-per my previous assessment, unless I misunderstood) & their going into sz38 to unload w/ the balance of the fleet?   Then the 3-loaded trns to be in sz36 were the ones purchased during J1, coming from sz6?
    yes.

    J3 1)–take India & land planes in Shan State;  Got that one!    
    So now w/ India out of the picture, w/ maybe another round of clean-up, is the strategy to take out China’s threat entirely or just keep them @ bay while you start gearing up for the US & ANZAC?  Because by my count, including Hong Kong, you should have 4-Victory cities, 5-soon counting Manila.  But the US fleet should be well on their way, if not already there.  So 1-more VC to get, but is it going to be Sydney or Honolulu?  Seems like the way it should play out is that Sydney would be the more unprotected, but I don’t know?  After J3 & since you hadn’t discussed the DEI, that they’ll be trying to acquire for more IPC & to help the UK, that 6th VC could be a pretty hard get???  But after J3, who wants the game to end that quickly anyway   8-)
    Hawaii is a much better target than Sydney.  Take Midway and try to get USA stuck in an arms race by building carriers for all your planes.  That way they cant be much help in Europe and without India Germany will have a MUCH easier time getting Cairo after Moscow, IF the Italians are still afloat.  Notice how on J3 you might not actually have to move carriers to z39 if the Brits navy have fled.  Like others pointed out, it is very important that you keep the pathway from z36 to z39 open for the transports, and you make sure you can’t lose Shan, which is why you airstrike Burma if they stack it.

    Should be a fun play!!!  So if you could please refine the above Q’s with some further detail, that would be great!   I’m all about playing & figuring it out, but with someone else’s idea of a whole new strategy, I don’t want to screw it up 2-3 times just trying to get to the way it should have been played for the 1st 3-4 rounds, after that–-its anybody’s game anyway based on the counter moves & how the dice fell :roll:     So thanx again, look forward to the follow-up.

    For more and better info about the j3 india crush scenario, look up old posts by CMDR Jennifer.  Good luck with it

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