Thanks for the reply.
Thanks again to @Krieghund too. :)
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OK, the US can only land on Japan with 2 infantry and 2 fighters (+ possibly 1 bomber and the bombardment shots) so that isn’t really a threat if Japan builds say, 4 inf and 2 fighters on J2. Plus an attempt to land on Japan would most likely result on the US fleet being attacked and destroyed on the next Japanese turn.
On J2 Japan can simply build infantry and fighters on Japan and send the fleet to land on FIC/Burma, stalling the UK advance and preventing any transports from being built on India.
Unless the initial transports survive (and they should be primary targets for Japan on J1) you need to buy ships to defend transports built on India, otherwise 1 bomber in Japan (or 1 carrier on SZ60) can sink them.
You’re risking a bit on India…
J1: buy 2 bombers and 1 sub. Sink all remaining UK ships and land everything on Burma.
J2: attack India with 7 inf, 2 art, 1 arm, 4 ftrs, 3 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship. UK defends with 1 AAGun, 5 inf, 2 arm, 4 ftrs and 3 bombers… 60% for Japan.The overall odds would depend on the number of Allied fighters (and Russian armor) but even without Japan attacking India it has forced the Allies to defend it (at the expense of other areas, like Europe) and avoided being forced to defend SZ60 or to lose ships to the UK/US.
On J2 the fleet could then swing back to SZ60 to add more ships or to SZ61 to land more ground units on Asia. Or even send the transports to crack Egypt/Africa open for the Germans/Axis to take…
Japan’s fleet can be like an octopus at the beginning… you can try to squeeze it with the Allies but it can slip and slip and will only be caught if it wants to, makes a mistake or if there’s nothing else to hide.Thanks for your reply again. Well yes, Japan could buy 2 Bombers, 1 Sub on J1. But the point is, Japanese player would never expect U.S. to buy 3 Bombers and 1 Sub and position all of it’s 5 FTRs to attack everything around Japan. Most Japanese players think that U.S. will go Solomon-Phillipines/Borneo way and not the Iwo-Jiwa-Manchuria or Kwantung way. Point is to draw Japanese fleet away from the FIC, and that can’t be do if U.S Fleet goes to Solomon.
So let’s be realistic, Japanese player will most likely never build 2 Bomber and 1 Sub on J1. So Japan has only J2 turn to do something about what I suggested to do with the U.S. on US1.
This strategy works a lot better of course as it is when you play in real terms, which is that you never tell your opponent what you will do with the U.S. So a Japanese player will most likely go for some kind of Transports, INF mixture on J1.
Yeah, it’s 60% for Japan if they attack India so it’s very risky, but I would have not 5 INF on India but 6 INF, (3 originally, 1 from Burma, 1 from Iran, 1 from Egypt + 1 Art). So 6 INF, 2 Tank, 1 Art, 4 FTR, 2 Bombers. I could also move Syrian INF to Iran on UK1 and further to India on UK2 which gives me 7 INF. And the U.S. “sacrifise” FTR from Szechwan to go to India, so that would be 5 FTR on India.
So you managed to draw away 1 U.S. FTR only but the rest of the attack can be done against the fleet, I don’t need to invade Japan, I can just send 2 U.S. INF to the Phillipines and the rest attacks Japanese fleet.So as I said, Japan can only build something with a punch on J2, because a Japanese player can never know what USA will do on US1, so a Japanese player will most likely never build 2 Bombers and 1 Sub on J1 turn, units Japan is building will be soft targets for UK Bombers, such as Transports and Destroyers, so they will need additional support and Japan would expect U.S to go Solomon.
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Why are there five Russians on the Far East? This is like placing troops in Madagascar to defend Africa.
So I can land 3 FTR there and the Bomber. I can’t put 5 INF on Buryatia, they can be attacked more easely there but on Soviet Far East, they are way more safe when Japan starts J1 and J2. It’s not like Japan can blitz through Buryatia to Yakut anyway, Japan has only INF on Manchuria.
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Oh, please do this, I beg you…so that way I can wipe them out and forever cripple the allies…this is a bad move on the US part…
2 Transports off Yunan. 2 Transports off Japan. Â That’s 8 land units, and possibly 2FTRs and a Bomber. Â Add in a CA and BB, and you now have 87% favor of Japan on this…Oh please make the Emperor happy…Dead Russians and dead Gringos? Â I love it. I encourage it. Â
“…like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.” Â
Please go to the Soviet Far East and die… “to the conquerors of the Federation!”
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Oh, please do this, I beg you…so that way I can wipe them out and forever cripple the allies…this is a bad move on the US part…
2 Transports off Yunan. 2 Transports off Japan. � That’s 8 land units, and possibly 2FTRs and a Bomber. � Add in a CA and BB, and you now have 87% favor of Japan on this…Oh please make the Emperor happy…Dead Russians and dead Gringos? � I love it. I encourage it. �Â
“…like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.” �Â
LOL, you clearly couldn’t comment on anything else? Because you know I am right. I can position FTRs other way also, how many times do I have to tell you that 2 FTRs can be on a Carrier outside Iwo Jiwa. 3rd US FTR from Szechwan can be on Yakut, and another 2 US FTR can be on Alaska with 2 INF + 1 UK Tank. Happy now? :) You still die because a Japanese player will always assume that U.S. goes Solomon, thus Japan will build transports on J1.
You can build 2 Trans, do that, what are they going to do, you need to protect them. Remember, 3 UK Bombers starts FIRST before your socalled “attack” on J2.
It’s also fun that you encourage it and think it’s positive that Japan will have to draw 8 land units towards Far East, you do that, while I build another 3 UK Bombers on India on UK2. So I am wondering if UK should say hello somewhere with 3 Bombers on UK2 or with 6 Bombers on UK3. Just draw away Japanese units towards Far East. It’s so perfect, after US attacks on US2 with all they got, 6 UK Bombers will also say “hi” on UK3. We’ll see what’s left of the Japanese fleet then after J2, lol.
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I love how incompetent your math skills are….3 bombers x 12 IPCs is 36…time to go back to 3rd grade!
Please remind me how 3 bombers (how you get 3 on UK1 at India baffles me), attack a BB, CV, 2DD, 2FTR, or a CA and CV w/2FTR…let me know how that turns out…
I know you are so wrong. I’d rather take advice from my 6 year old. Keep up the great strats!
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I love how incompetent your math skills are….3 bombers x 12 IPCs is 36…time to go back to 3rd grade!
Please remind me how 3 bombers (how you get 3 on UK1 at India baffles me), attack a BB, CV, 2DD, 2FTR, or a CA and CV w/2FTR…let me know how that turns out…
I know you are so wrong. I’d rather take advice from my 6 year old. Keep up the great strats!
No problem, pal, I will remind you, ask and you shall recieve, lol!
How I have 3 Bombers ready on UK2? Easy.
You do know that UK has a bomber on London ? That bomber flies to Evenki or Novosibirsk.UK = 31 to spend. I buy 2 Bombers on India and 1 INF, save 4 IPC. UK will take New Guinea, that’s 1 IPC.
UK collects 31 + 1 for N-Guinea = 32 + 4 saved = 36That’s another 3 Bombers on India to build on UK2. Have fun dying with your little Emperor Transports :)
MATH POWER RULES pal, learn it.
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Russia falls, UK is conquered, and the world smells like sauerkraut….good job!
6 Bombers vs. 2 DD, 1BB, 2CV, 4FTRs, 1CA…good luck with that .4% chance…you have! My math checks with the computer!
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Russia falls, UK is conquered, and the world smells like sauerkraut….good job!
Lol, where is the “math” now? Guess you are quiet on that one. Russia falls? Really, you didn’t like any of suggestions for UK to field ships on first 2 rounds, so I might as well go Air Power and send Emperor-boys down to the bottom of the Pacific in combination with brutal Air and Naval Power, after J2, no more fleet for the Emperor, lol.
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Russia falls, UK is conquered, and the world smells like sauerkraut….good job!
Lol, where is the “math” now? Guess you are quiet on that one. Russia falls? Really, you didn’t like any of suggestions for UK to field ships on first 2 rounds, so I might as well go Air Power and send Emperor-boys down to the bottom of the Pacific in combination with brutal Air and Naval Power, after J2, no more fleet for the Emperor, lol.
check post above, rookie
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Hello again rookie, you think that is what Japan will have after USA attacks that on US2 with 5 FTR, 4 Bombers, 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 Sub and 2 DD? There are no more Japanese fleet when US2 starts and if there is anything left, then 6 UK Bombers will clean it up on UK3. So when J3 starts there are no Japanese boats, lol.
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Hello again rookie, you think that is what Japan will have after USA attacks that on US2 with 5 FTR, 4 Bombers, 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 Sub and 2 DD? There are no more Japanese fleet when US2 starts and if there is anything left, then 6 UK Bombers will clean it up on UK3. So when J3 starts there are no Japanese boats, lol.
You can’t have that there when I wiped out your FTRs and bombers that supposedly landed somewhere (either Russia or some other mythical place you create)…try harder cupcake!
By the way, whatever happened to that great BB strategy?
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You can’t have that there when I wiped out your FTRs and bombers that supposedly landed somewhere (either Russia or some other mythical place you create)…try harder cupcake!
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Again, you seem to have feber. Mythical? What is that you don’t understand? 1 US FTR from Szechwan/Tibet goes to Yakut.
There are 2 FTR on Hawaii, 1 on land , 1 on Carrier, they both are now on the Carrier outside Iwo Jiwa. 4th and 5th FTR, one from West US, 1 from Eastern US land on Alaska. Bomber from Eastern US also lands there.Still having serious problems in understanding this? LOL at “mythical”. LMAO.
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So you are saying you move your Pac Fleet to Iwo on US1 (and buy 3 bombers)? That’s your solution? With Japan having a Bomber, 4FTRs, CA, SS, BB, 2DDs, 2CVs in range? Are you insane? Please clarify what you have where…
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So you are saying you move your Pac Fleet to Iwo on US1 (and buy 3 bombers)?�  That’s your solution?�  With Japan having a Bomber, 4FTRs, CA, SS, BB, 2DDs, 2CVs in range? Are you insane? Please clarify what you have where…
No, I am not insane. That Japanese Fleet is usually withdrawn to FIC, most of it anyway. If you don’t like Iwo Jiwa, outside Alaska will give you the same effect, just the same, so that Japanese Fleet you are talking about can’t reach U.S. Fleet anyway, you know it, and I know it, that Japan sends most of it’s ships towards FIC. If not, then sending units to fortify FIC means Transports will be sacrificed.
By the way, Japan does NOT have 2 Carriers after their fleet has been wasted on East Indies, so you will have to BUY that Carrier for Japan if you want 2 CV to place your 4 FTR on it.
Furthermore, I have explained to you how many FTRs are with the U.S. Fleet. Â 2 DD, 1 Sub, 1 BB, 1 Carrier with 2 FTR on it, can be moved to either Iwo Jima or Alaska in order to attack everything you might put outside Japan by J2. Â
So any movement by U.S. Fleet is done after I see where you put your Japanese ships, then it’s easy for the U.S. to know what to do. You know that U.S. has FTR on WUS and EUS, and both can be moved to Alaska with the Bomber from EUS. There is 5th FTR USA has in Tibet/Szechwan which can be moved and positioned on Yakut.
I would build 3 Bombers and 1 Sub as I mentioned, all on the WUS. Panama Cruiser goes also to WUS.
U.S. will then be able to attack SZ60 with 5 FTRs, 4 Bombers, 1 BB, 1 Carrier, 1 Sub, 2 Destroyers. We all know that a Japanese player don’t have any clue what U.S. will do next so most Japanese players will expect the U.S. to go Solomon. And this is where the surpise is. Most Japanese players send Transports to fortify FIC which means most of the Japanese Fleet goes also there. Â And we definitely know that Japan lands most of it’s 4 FTR on mainland.
So if anything of the Japanese fleet survives after US2, let’s give Emperor 2 or 3 boats left, and now I am very kind, then 6 UK Bombers will send that straight to the bottom of the sea anyway which means Japan will have no fleet or FTRs left, basically nothing. We are looking at a combined US2-UK3 knock-out here so that Japan is totally finished. Even if Japan builds some boats to rebuild them self on J3, USA still has 1 Sub, 1 Cruiser to strike waters of Japan again, and I would once again build 3 Bombers on US2 turn which can be used on US3 with 1 Sub, 1 Cruiser.
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You’re right, I’m wrong…I bow to the 42.2 master. I have to go to Beerfest at Petco in about an hour. I’m tired of talking to a brickwall (even though you’ve been owned over and over again).
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You’re right, I’m wrong…I bow to the 42.2 master.�  I have to go to Beerfest at Petco in about an hour. I’m tired of talking to a brickwall (even though you’ve been owned over and over again).
LOL, well then, it’s a fact that Japan can’t do squat, this is a strategy based on the fact what Japan usually does. Which is, you said it yourself, building 3 Trans/3 Inf or some other similar type of mixture. I am not stupid to tell a Japanese player what I will do on US1. But I told you, and now you think you can “counter” that, but not according to what you say you will do, which isJapanese players goes for FIC, sending 2 units there, building additional Transports or/and INF + using FTRs on the mainland, that’s a fact, those are the things you are arguing for. And that is fine. Now I know how to counter that and that can be done because I can see where Japanese units are placed.
The main point here is the surprise. It is very easy here to say actually that you will conter that and I will counter this, and you say I don’t know anything, I knew how to protect Egypt, I knew how to stack India already massively on UK1 with 9 units, and I knew how to protect/support Szechwan, where US FTR is, which is important.
Now it is fine that you can brag about my Alaska IC being bad and the thing about Russian Carrier, ( which was just a suggestion to test out anyway ), but don’t think you are smarter than I am.
Especially when you are so “smart” and say I don’t know math, and I proved that you talk utter cr-ap, and I proved how UK gets 6 Bombers.
Now back to the surprise tactics. As mentioned, it’s easy to say you’ll counter something by knowing what I will do. When you don’t know what I’ll do, your combat moves and non-combat moves are totally different, and this strategy with the US2-UK3 knock out of Japan is based on the fact of what you have said that you’ll buy and do all the time, what most of Japanese players say anyway, which is to fortify FIC, most of the Japanese fleet goes to FIC, and Japan goes for more Transport&INF or a Carrier.
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surprise tactics don’t work when they have a huge chance of failure. You assume you will take New Guinea, which even though is 67% odds, still is a huge gamble to put on for 1 additional bomber.
I know math, I had a 780 on the math portion of the SAT (it’s English that I don’t know)…remember your idea with naval builds and how long it took to convince you not to destroy India with 3BBs? It took like half this thread…do you think I would really argue a point so legitly if it was a reasonable tactic. Of course you’re not going to announce what you are going to do. But you fail to recognize the key point here. BOMBERS CAN’T TAKE LAND! To effectively save Russia and the UK, you have to take the economics away from Japan.
I only argue bad strategies…You say Japan can’t do squat…guess what…while you’re so focused on Japan with your ingenious plan, Russia still falls, and the UK is next. Your strat can’t stop that.
It’s easy to counter your moves because as I said, everything you have done is easily counterable (is that even a word?). And when I mean easily counterable, it means that it can be defeated easily.
Let me know when you get bored beating children (that probably doesn’t sound right)…
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btw, Beefest was Beertacular……lots of hot SD girls! 8-)
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Mallery: are SDs the same as STDs?
Might have been fun, but… -
@wittmann:
Mallery: are SDs the same as STDs?
Might have been fun, but…I don’t know how all the SD (San Diego) girls roll, but I’m sure some of them probably have those issues….
Anyway, I can only look/drool…married… :cry:
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