ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game

[crockett36]

@crockett36 10.22.21abh.tsvg

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I expected you to raid, just you got nice dice to kill almost all of the troops without accidentally winning the battle.

Did you post the wrong file?

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris yep

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

Also not sure why you still think that the game is on knife’s edge. The Allies have failed to create a second front in either W Europe or the Pacific. China and India are dead, and Russia will soon have to be turtling in Moscow as the last of her forces are dying this next turn.

The Axis have a larger income than the Allies, more forces, and shorter supply lines. Catching up in the game at this point would require a major blunder on my part.

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris alright. I resign. good game. I would definitely recommend changing the format. getting criticized after you’ve moved is no help whatsoever. It’s actually discouraging. Rather I would think advice before the dice are rolled would be better. Say the student presents his combat moves and you give a thumbs up or a think again. Maybe you could do the non coms completely.

From my perspective I overbought infantry in Russia and should have pressed in earlier. Then I overbought in the Pac to defeat the Jap navy. I succeeded on both of those fronts. India is a standstill.

Finally you were excellent at the gamey part of g40, bonuses, nicking 5 to 15 ipcs off the Allies every round and gaining that much for the Axis in bonuses.

Your thoughts, especially on the format of a tutor game. And thank you for playing.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

We had the same issue with the other tutor games that there was no advice before the moves are made, and blunders in the first few rounds rapidly compound later on. Your partners had few suggestions until it was too late to matter, although I admit to having the same issue when I was trying to advise in the previous tutor game.

The actions in the Pacific affected options in the Atlantic as the United States had to spend heavily to prevent the capture of Hawaii, giving Germany the necessary breathing room from the disasterous G1 start of the game. I think the United States would have been far more successful if you had gone for the option to pressure Japan in the Money Islands, forcing trades of island and beefing up the IJN with money that was needed elsewhere. You moved to SZ6 on the second turn when the fleet should have been going down to SZ54.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I think if I were to do it again, I would have an A+100 bid and skip worrying about any advise.

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris Yeah, I’ve given up on the north pac strategy. Now I solidly move to 54. I’m up for a game whenever you are.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@crockett36 Let me know your desired bids for an A+100 game. Such critical decisions as you will need to establish a strong position in the first few rounds to overcome tactical mistakes later in the game.

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris fig in London, fig in Scotland, sub in 91, 98, 111, 110, 109, 106, artillery in Egypt, Sudan. 64 ipcs.

9 infantry in Nov, w uk, Stalingrad, bel, Moscow, kar, arch, Bryansk, Smolensk. 27

Infantry in sze, shensi. Kwei. 9 ipcs.

What do you think?

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@crockett36 Think about it for another day as the decision is so critical. Have a plan of how you will use the forces in the first couple of turns to dominate a region(s), freeing up other units for desired operations.

[squirecam]

@crockett36

I’m not sure what the point of a 100 bid is, nor why you would purchase so many subs. The issue in this past game, as I saw it, was the failure maximize. You didn’t maximize any advantages an overwhelming bid could offer.

I would suggest you go back to the beginning and see the +69 bid and try a version of that. Do Gibastion and take out the IT fleet through mostly air power. Which is something that is impossible normally. Italy will have no bonuses and your Africa troops can then move east to help India.

If IT is on the ropes early, Germany must either let it hang or send troops down to protect it, which helps the Russians.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@squirecam The “fair” bid for the game with equal strength opponents is around 40. Perhaps even a bit higher as people have evolved the Axis strategy. A few minor mistakes will quickly squander the additional advantage of a 69 bid.

We will try a 100 point bid. If Crockett has smart unit placement and a strong few initial rounds, I might find myself needing to surrender early on. I would be happy with such an outcome as it will have shown strong improvement. More likely, there will be minor mistakes that accumulate into a competitive match as the Axis try dig out from the major initial disadvantage.

[crockett36]

@squirecam why don’t we work together to defeat abh? Ownership and loyalty. You could be in charge of X. And you own it.

I also need options, not orders. Not one but several. I will be asking for abh s critiques BEFORE I roll dice so I can change and not just be pigpiled on after a mistake.

The two big changes this game will be bringing the US fleet to 54 not the north Pac. Also I must combat any German deviation from a Moscow crush, like buying navy or bombers with Russian aggression West.

[crockett36]

@squirecam if you would like to be point, you may. I will advise you if you play oob and will act like an officer under you, never a smarmy arm chair quarterback blasting you for losing against a better player. Which helps no one

[squirecam]

@crockett36 said in ABH and crockett36, (A+69) tutor game:

@squirecam why don’t we work together to defeat abh? Ownership and loyalty. You could be in charge of X. And you own it.

I also need options, not orders. Not one but several. I will be asking for abh s critiques BEFORE I roll dice so I can change and not just be pigpiled on after a mistake.

The two big changes this game will be bringing the US fleet to 54 not the north Pac. Also I must combat any German deviation from a Moscow crush, like buying navy or bombers with Russian aggression West.

There is no point to arguing over moves. Part of the issue with the Allies is that they must work together well or they hang separately.

I’ve given you my suggestions on how to use the bid. If you choose your own path that’s fine but I dont see how I can help you in that situation.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@crockett36 I don’t think it is convenient to have a 3-person game. Inevitably one person stops responding due to other life conflicts.

Do you still want to start a new A+100 game?

[crockett36]

@arthur-bomber-harris yes. Just trying to figure out a scenario where the community latches on and stays engaged,

[surfer]

@crockett36 @Arthur-Bomber-Harris I would think if you want the community to be involved, you have to allow them to provide inputs. If you want to have a game between 2 players and you coach one player along the way, that is perhaps interesting to a few.
But the thing that got many people interested in the original game between @trulpen and @AndrewAAGamer was the interplay between moves. The problem that I saw that caused @crockett36 to get frustrated was that although there was much discussion (initially) about combat, there was little to no discussion about the non-combat moves afterward. This caused much consternation because the choices made at non-combat forced action in later moves that could not be undone and frustrated the community and caused unhelpful comments to fly.

Possible solution: allow input after combat on best movement for the advance/retreating troops

[crockett36]

@surfer very good. Will do.