Map for 1941 axis strategy


  • On average Germany has 2 inf, 1 rtl, 1 arm = 9 defense. The Soviets will go with 11 only since they are losing only ones and Germany is losing 2’s.

    Germany adds one tank, even two and the attack is suicide. With 2 less tanks in the center, the soviets still cant take that, So Baltic states CANT be taken. Of course it can then be attacked, but the Soviets are 11 and now Germany is 9 or 10 PLUS 6 for 15-16. I think 11 to 16 is suicide and with that your not cutting into my hardware and also depriving the Soviets the ability of holding Karelia if the Panzers take it. Its a big Soviet gamble.

    Also Germany can leave out the transport going to SZ#6 and land 2 more (1 more tank, 1 more Infantry) making it even more impossible to take Baltic now with 3 more tanks and 1 infantry. And the UK cant retake Karelia with that.

    all they can do is watch and try to kill a transport in Baltic, a cruiser and sub in SZ #6, and left over 2 subs in SZ#2,

    that is it with 1 DD, 2 fighters, 1 bomber.

    On turn 2 perhaps they can land up to 6 land units, but with 43 IPC they need a carrier ( 14) , plus 2 transports (14) and perhaps 1 escort ( CA) for 12, 28+12= 40 , barely enough to get 1 infantry.

    If UK does not buy the escort and does not kill the German fleet…i assume the Italian fleet comes over to Gibrater for a turn to force UK to buy more escorts and abandon her invasion or just go with 2-4 units, which is easily repulsed.

    ON UK 3 they would be in much better position, but that’s what the race is about.

    And you will end up with UK sending all her African + Indian forces to Persia and on UK2 to Cauc to help defend.

    Also, UK leaving Africa means the Libya stuff just follows…so its not helping to do much but just bring over more Germans and Italians for the attack.

    The Russian defense is way too strong with their R1 build included.

    Yes that’s if they also cover both of the territories adjacent to Moscow. You see the idea is to make 3 targets with the tanks going one of three directions and the Soviets cant hardly defend all three. The race is to focus on the weakest using the untenable Soviet position of having to defend 3 factories.

    If the Soviet protect Karelia…fine…then Panzer roller to Caucasus

    If the Soviets protect Caucasus, … fine then we got to karelia

    If they don’t retake or control both of the territories adjacent to Moscow…then we take Moscow

    Remember its just a strategy. Its the basis of a successful Axis plan. The german player would be doing the same thing on G1 even if he was not building just tanks.

    If they play a slow game i suggest a carrier in Baltic, plus a cruiser ( 14+12=28) and 1 Infantry, or buy an artillery and take a destroyer. They could even just build another transport and ship 4 units over.

    In this type of game they are building more infantry obviously and NOT attacking DD in SZ#6

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    Thanks, looks great!  Do you plan on doing one for Allies?  As the game leans in favor of the Axis in 1941.


  • Yes, but first the axis.

    Actually for 1942 the Soviet attacks are going to be done. I have some tweeks for the Axis 1941 to make for either a fast or slow game.

    The problems with doing USA is 5 other nations played already so its hard to make exact plans. UK is kinda is this as well.


  • http://www.mediafire.com/?yrnntzloydw

    revised strategy to cut out any attacks by the Soviets.


  • IL, what file do I need to download to see that revised strategy?

    The most recent one I see dates from 24/11/2008…


  • http://www.mediafire.com/?nzn4j1jgvk1

    sorry about that… :cry:

    this is the correct one


  • Above is not the right link (it points to a 42 map), but I’ve found your revised all out on Russia strategy.

    I will admit it looks stronger when you are using even the African corps to Ukraine. Some slight adjustments:
    Italy won’t but a trn when the fleet goes to the baltic of course.
    You only shift 2 inf to Poland instead of the 3 inf, 1 rtl.

    The Russian counter attack on the Baltic states is gone, so I believe best Russia can do is make Karelia a deadzone, and go for defense of the Caucasus. That one has to be held at all costs. With the UK forces from Africa and India that should be enough, but I can’t tell that for sure, one is looking way ahead in future turns.
    Losing Leningrad is not fun, but it’s not the end of the Russians. Remember Leningrad is not next to Moscow, but Stalingrad is!.

    It will be a race between Germany in Moscow and the Allies in Berlin and we might even see it happen on the same turn (hey wait, where did I hear that before…  :-P).


  • If you leave Karelia, Norway takes it and all that junk now takes the spots next to Moscow, while linking to Caucasus with the intention of forcing a decision for you to give up Caucasus if not that turn but the next. If you sent stuff to Caucasus the new threat on Moscow will force you to pull back some to Moscow, which Germany and Italy and Japanese planes all coordinate for all out attack on Caucasus.

    The strategy is forcing you to divide or let me have 1 factory per turn.

    I know UK will retake Karelia, and ill retake it. That keeps them out of France


  • last link is now corrected.


  • Is there no way that the map could be postd into a j.peg? Or w/e.

    I cannot open it.

    Did you list the moves on the map itself IL?


  • @Krupp:

    Is there no way that the map could be postd into a j.peg? Or w/e.

    I cannot open it.

    Did you list the moves on the map itself IL?

    Krupp - it’s a PDF. Download Adobe Acrobat Reader and you’ll be able to see it.

    And he does illustrate all the moves, with notes for guidance. Very handy.


  • Jpegs suck. so does bmp.  png or pdf are the way to go because they don’t rasterize vector artwork.


  • Got it to work finally, thanks alot IL :mrgreen:


  • Ugh, I have seen the strat and seems not only Japan can kill any on sight AND take China J1, India J2; Germany can take Karelia round 2 or 3  :-o You suggest any USA player will retreat from Pacific, but I played with Pacific navy, India IC AND bad german player and still Japan gets 60 IPCs for 45-50 USA. Imagine what can do a uncontested Japan. I’ll still would go for America with Japan, because seems UK and soviets cannot stand western axis. Italy should conquer Africa soon or later.

    We have a seriously flawed scenario here. Not only China sucks. Soviets suck and USA cannot beat Japan’s navy until a ton of turns. Even Australia cannot be defended with so many jap trannies. It’s even worst I thought. We need pretty heavy allied bids, maybe even heavier than axis bids for Classic  :-P I guess at least 4 inf to Yunnan and at least 2-3 to Karelia, maybe even a dd for z2? That would be 26-29  :-o. What do you think would be a balanced bid for allies, IL? Or maybe simply a fixed setup as in AAPacific?


  • What the bloody hell were the Russians doing if Germany took and held Karelia on G2/G3?  :?


  • IL strat -> germans take Karelia G2 or G3
    My game -> poor german player, Karelia survives all the game. Soviets get 54 income, but totally alone in Asia after India IC taken and USA fleet sunk (that one by poor attack choice). Germany didn’t try IL strat, my point is axis don’t need that strat or even a decent german player to survive or even to win. Japan powns all (I think that’s the word), but I agree with IL, that strat only makes things worst for allies.


  • The word is pwn…or the past tense where it originally appeared…pwned. It orginated from the game Warcraft When you lost to the computer in a multiplayer game on a certain map the screen said so and so was pwned. It was a mispelling that has lead to its current use.

    And there’s your gaming language lesson of the day  :lol:


  • And that’s your first karma +1  :-D Thanks!


  • Cannot the russians let germany have Karaliea and just move the AA gun out and bomb it every round?


  • Sure, but all that would do is not allow germany to build anything there. not that big of a loss. If the russians were to take it back they would need to repair it before they could use it

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