• if we draw boxes
    it must not confuse people as to think it is the particular SZ adjacent to the boxes that are grouped together

    some sections are pretty big


  • You can draw boxes or i can make decals you stick on the map you have. Which do you prefer?


  • I’m sure I have some of that thin map tape lying around from my days in the planning cells – I’ll try some tricks with different colors.

    National markers don’t really do the trick because noone “owns” the SZs.  But outlining the different SZs in colors should do the trick.

    IL:  A thin wide transparent color under the black lines outlining the different regions would look good I think.


  • ok ill see what i can do


  • I’m finding Convoy Raids to be much more involved that I originally thought.  I’m thinking the concept of Convoy Zone boxes from AAE or AAP would simplify the process.

    Assume I have 6 German subs raiding the North Atlantic (e.g., SZ 1-12, & 19).  When it is the Allied turn to Collect Income, who looses income?

    Do all three (e.g., US/UK/USSR - Lend Lease) feel the sting of the U-Boat for 6 IPC each, or do they decide among them who is to lose 6 IPC – or do the Germans decide who they want to hit?  (n.b., though technically early in the game US could only 4 for Brazil & West Indies).

    If all 3 countries lose 6 IPC, then you have german submarines operating at up to 3 times what the allied submarines can do and it seems a bit out of balance.  The US would get double taxed so to speak during Lend Lease.

    With the Convoy Zones boxes you know whose income is effected and you don’t have to worry about sorting this out.

    Any insights or clarifications I’m missing from the rules?


  • Assume I have 6 German subs raiding the North Atlantic (e.g., SZ 1-12, & 19).  When it is the Allied turn to Collect Income, who looses income?

    The sea zones as per the list in the 4.0 outline which zones are under protection of each player. If Germany has subs in uk zones, then on Germany s turn the UK player loses 1 IPC per sub in the effected zones. Its just like when you lose IPC during SBR. Its extremely simple: say a German sub manages to move adjacent to UK ( not sure what SZ that is but im sure its a protected zone).,… that sub forces UK to lose 1 IPC on his next turn.  It works for surface ships too BTW.

    Do all three (e.g., US/UK/USSR - Lend Lease) feel the sting of the U-Boat for 6 IPC each, or do they decide among them who is to lose 6 IPC – or do the Germans decide who they want to hit?  (n.b., though technically early in the game US could only 4 for Brazil & West Indies).

    NO your making this way more complicated. Each nation as per the 4.0 has its own set of SZ. One sub only removes 1 IPC to that one nation where its sitting in and if by chance its a sea zone where two nations have the same, then its up to them who loses the point.

    With the Convoy Zones boxes you know whose income is effected and you don’t have to worry about sorting this out.

    Any insights or clarifications I’m missing from the rules?

    these are basically convoy zones, we just don’t draw them on the map because it creates independent zones inside of zones and we don’t want extra spaces .

    all you have to do is look at the convoy chart and place a national token in each sea zone that can be attacked by anybody. Thats about 40 seconds. then you don’t have to do anything except try to get to those spaces and attack the enemy. simple see?


  • Thanks.  I was looking for a little clarity where I saw ambiguity.

    I can hear the arguments already about what IPCs get affected and who gets to decide, and I wanted something I could point to.

    The people I play with get very creative with thier interpretations – and when there are generalities in the rules, are able to generate options faster than I can explain them away.

    It’s that whole when trying to “idiot-proof” the rules, they’ll make better idiots… thing.


  • The 4.0 needs to be read literally. Their are no tricks hidden where you read into it and assume all kinds of things that were not described. Because it does not say you cant roll for flying Rodan attacks does not mean that can be extrapolated as possible if the rules don’t describe it. Its meant to be read intuitively so refreshing the rules will come easier.


  • some of IL’s explanation is not correct

    we dont have nation specific convoy SZ lists
    only have the sea sectioned in north pacific, south pacific, north altantic, south altantic, etc

    we don’t have “adjacent” requirements
    each submarine in north altantic affects enemy north altantic shipping as a whole

    @Bierwagen:

    I can hear the arguments already about what IPCs get affected and who gets to decide, and I wanted something I could point to.

    this occurs now and then and more so in AARHE due to the combined team turn

    OOB/LHTR rule applies ===> if teammates argues, the enemy decides


  • GAH!  I always forget the fine print about resorting to OOB/LHTR to clarify – thanks Tekkyy.

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