After 45 years why not try something different?

@Imperious:

Economy 101: It is the relative benefit that counts … AKA comparative costs. As soon as they can produce something realtively cheaper than the US, it is better for the US to import that.
Ever wondered why the EU and USA have these huge tariffs on agricultural products?

You confirmed my point. Cuba at this time has nothing of value unless you smoke and that in itself cant sustain a modern economy. Thanks

I did not. It doesn’t matter wether anything is “of value” as long as they can produce something relatively cheaper. If they can produce … say one TV set or one yacht … and the US can produce … say 1000 TVs or one yacht … then the Cubans are producing yachts relatively cheaper and should produce so.

Your display of economic knowledge is discouraging.

Stick to point: …

All nice reasons … and totally unrelated to your previous “open borders” argument.

If we have to open another can of worms the problem in Afrika is also open borders, while this allows even poorer people who are infected from traveling around looking for medical care and better conditions.

“poorer people” in Africa surely do not “travel around”.

This would have never happened during colonial rule. That entire continent (sake egypt)should be repossessed by Europe and returned to those heirs.

First things first … i think older “lost colonies” are first to re-conquered.

Yes, we all “hate” the USA because we are only envious of their material riches and empty heads.

They hate us because we fight for what we want and achieve it on a daily basis because of our system ,while and they dont and they know it. Its easy to hate out of want and needs.

First: the correct declination would have been the plural “You”… and …ah bugger, why should an ESL teach you.
Second: Yeah, sure.

It doesn’t matter wether anything is “of value” as long as they can produce something relatively cheaper

Economy 102: The semantics of “value” pertain to the same as you have pointed out namely: the ability to offer a product or service cheaper or more economically efficient than the next person. You HAVE made my point and still dont realize it . Geez…

poorer people" in Africa surely do not “travel around”.

did you ask them? Actually the higher elements of professionals are leaving Afrika and going to Europe. While the poorer elements either sit and rot or try “out of need” for something more across borders into more affluent neighbors. Either by fight or flight they struggle as we all do. Its easy to do so when the borders dont exist . Look at the poor that come to United States (the land of stinking capitalists who impoverished the world according to the narrow minded leftist groups)

@cystic:

@El:

For 45 years Fidel Castro has been Dictator of Cuba(pronounced “Ku’ ba”.)
For most of that time the US has embargoed most, if not all, products/trade to/from Cuba. Yet with the trade of other countries Fidel has held a Leaky Iron Fist around the throat of the Cuban peoples.

that’s a cute metaphor. It’s not really that accurate, however.

Don’t you agree that free trade would have opened the doors and changed the government in a shorter time…see Vietnam for a ‘moderate’ variation on this idea.

ABSOLUTELY!!!
Finally a conservative/republican with a reasonable perspective. The US has done everything wrong with Cuba since forever.
Look at the Spanish-American war and the sinking of the Maine (although maybe don’t look at it from the perspective of a conservative site this time . . . ).

What’s happenin’ now?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/18/120401.shtml

this leaves out a LOT of background and colors the events in a very biased way.

A short internet history of the Cuban Revolution…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution

not enough time to read it, but again missing a lot of background up until 1960.

I generaly have little interest in cuba. Castro is Castro, and cuba is not going to do anything major ( either way) for or to the US economy. I say don’t trade with them, if for no other reason than the rest of the world who hate our “meddling” in thier politics can look to Cuba and see how great the world can be w/o the US in it.

Fidel was popular, the people supported him. Now they can reap the poverty they have sewn with thier beloved dictator. If they get sick of him, they should overthrow him, and than I can see US support and/or trade. Until than, they’re on thier own.

Ahh excellent another hammer of truth! Good im glad i wasnt the only person who heard the whistle coming from their ears’ as the wind blew thru them. Your conclusion is adequate and fitting… let him rot untill he is replaced by his brother or son which would be a typical result and will expose the reality of this regime for what it is… then finally we can reinvade and rebuild the Casinos and Mcdonalds and (even taco bell) and have a nice day. Would you like to supersize that combo?

@Imperious:

It doesn’t matter wether anything is “of value” as long as they can produce something relatively cheaper

Economy 102: The semantics of “value” pertain to the same as you have pointed out namely: the ability to offer a product or service cheaper or more economically efficient than the next person.

Noho …
it is not cheaper … it is relatively cheaper, even if it is absolutely more expensive, that makes the difference. And there are zillions of things that Cuba can produce relatively cheaper.

poorer people" in Africa surely do not “travel around”.

did you ask them?

i would guess i asked as many as you did.

@Imperious:

Ahh excellent another hammer of truth! Good im glad i wasnt the only person who heard the whistle coming from their ears’ as the wind blew thru them.

kind of rude, and i would not tolerate this if said about another board member.
Fortunately it seems that i am more intelligent than you, so i can absorb this more easily.

Your conclusion is adequate and fitting… let him rot untill he is replaced by his brother or son which would be a typical result and will expose the reality of this regime for what it is… then finally we can reinvade and rebuild the Casinos and Mcdonalds and (even taco bell) and have a nice day. Would you like to supersize that combo?

neo-con tripe.

i would guess i asked as many as you did.

My points are based on knowledge. You are free to look up the facts but you didnt… can you please as it would be constructive in a “discussion” of the facts.

Admitedly, the whistle joke wasnt appropriate , but it seems that your just against my point of view rather than having one of your own… Im sorry if i hurt your feelings. :oops:

@Imperious:

i would guess i asked as many as you did.

My points are based on knowledge. You are free to look up the facts but you didnt… can you please as it would be constructive in a “discussion” of the facts.

Admitedly, the whistle joke wasnt appropriate , but it seems that your just against my point of view rather than having one of your own… Im sorry if i hurt your feelings. :oops:

1. my feelings are not hurt. YOU certainly could not do this.
2. i spent a month in Cuba, as well i have made it a point of spending a month outside of the country every year that i can. Also i have actually spent some time in post-secondary schools reading and studying. This enables one to develop a “point-of-view” that does not necessarily need to run counter to one that i consider to be ill-thought out. If you had a perspective that was in keeping with mine, i would agree with it (although i am not sure how an American could arrive at a similar perspective given that the opportunities to actually SEE what you rail against are illegal . . . kind of facist IMO). To be honest, i was pleasently surprised at your listed “problems for continuing the trade embargo” - particularly number 4. Given this new perspective on the type of person i took you for, i was then re-disappointed with your subsequent posts.

i was pleasently surprised at your listed “problems for continuing the trade embargo” - particularly number 4. Given this new perspective on the type of person i took you for, i was then re-disappointed with your subsequent posts

The truth must be enabled and tempered by both sides so it can be clearly seen like a forest thru the trees. My “experience” takes into account “your” sensibilities but the conclusions are different because we are arriving from different footpaths in the forest of our ideas. I hope that i disappointed you because to believe as you do i would be unable to leave this forest at night…