France : Homeless-sicle or Homelessicide?

[cystic crypt]

@Janus1:

IL, read his post. he said its based on his experience, not actual statistics or clinical tests.

I have to agree with the gist of his experience.  The homeless people i encounter - both on the streets, or in the ER tend to be people with some kind of psychiatric disorder.

Also i noticed something interesting when i was in Portugal.  Even tho’ the temperature there in Feb was MUCH nicer than in my home of Winnipeg (+5 vs. -30 degrees) far more people went into the hospital/died of exposure there than in Winnipeg.  It seemed to me that much of Europe just is not equipped to deal with cold the way us in the west are - either because of the way the houses were originally set up or costs of heating, etc.

[cystic crypt]

@F_alk:

@cystic:

It seemed to me that much of Europe just is not equipped to deal with cold the way us in the west are - either because of the way the houses were originally set up or costs of heating, etc.

Using Portugal as an example is like saying because people in Miami are not prepared to face the cold, it must be the much of the USA. The Mediterranian is warmer than the rest of Europe. I think the Scandinavians and Russians would strongly disagree with your statement.

i was extending to the part of France where the bodies were found - obviously Oporto is different than Moscow climate-wise.  I was just imagining that as with some of the nations further west on the Iberian penninsula, some parts of France may have been less equipped to deal with these conditions (particularly relative to . . . say Winnipeg).

[Janus1]

the same happens everywhere. in the US, for example, DC is basically shut down with a couple inches of snow. further north, they would be celebrating with only several inches, and it would probably take them several feet to have any kind of problem.

[221B Baker Street]

I hear you Janus.  I was in San Deigo once with the temperature at maybe 68 degrees (aprox. 20 C) and people were wearing jackets and shivering.  In New England, this is weather for t-shirts and shorts.  Part of it is what you are used to (as in my case) and part is what you are prepared for (clothes, equipment).  On the plus side, I was able to eat outdoors in the nice weather pretty much by myself even though the restraunt was crowded.

[Imperious Leader]

Well in the time being couldnt the french just sleep near the burning hulks of cars on the side of the road that the Muslims caused?
(this is a crass joke… so not to worry) :-o

[Zooey72]

I would like to know what came out of the great socialist utopia of France?  They sure as hell talk the talk, but with all their social programs this is what it comes to?  Homeless die in the US (it happens everywhere).  I just question the heaven of socialism.  I would think this would be a front line battle.  Why this battle is lost?  Because their economy sucks and they don’t have the means to do it.

[cystic crypt]

@Zooey72:

I would like to know what came out of the great socialist utopia of France?  They sure as hell talk the talk, but with all their social programs this is what it comes to?  Homeless die in the US (it happens everywhere).  I just question the heaven of socialism.  I would think this would be a front line battle.  Why this battle is lost?  Because their economy sucks and they don’t have the means to do it.

you also missed the point that most homeless people are not mentally well.  You can’t force people into programs . . . well, maybe in a capitalist utopia you can . . . .

[Zooey72]

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

I would like to know what came out of the great socialist utopia of France?  They sure as hell talk the talk, but with all their social programs this is what it comes to?  Homeless die in the US (it happens everywhere).  I just question the heaven of socialism.  I would think this would be a front line battle.  Why this battle is lost?  Because their economy sucks and they don’t have the means to do it.

you also missed the point that most homeless people are not mentally well.  You can’t force people into programs . . . well, maybe in a capitalist utopia you can . . . .

You missed the point when I said it happens everywhere.  I would think that in the great socialist utopia of France, this would be their biggest concern.  Us horrible capitalist just kick the bums when we see them (sarcasm).  If this is not a victem of socialism crying out “why didn’t you save me”.  I don’t know what is.  How did these mentaly ill people become homeless in the great big brother government that is France?  Why didn’t “the system” save them?

Because the French economy is sitting right along side with the homeless mentaly ill.  Too “socialisticaly ill” to save itself, and for some insane reason, thinks there is no problem.

[cystic crypt]

You have a lot to learn about mental illness.

[DarthMaximus]

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