Cmdr Jen/Noll vs jim/Stirling AAG40 A3+ bid 13 VCs

[ghr2]

Sigh, I hate games that dont last after G6, you guys should really play on or something, Italy is still power ful, and japan is still strong, id let u even retreat at like the 3rd or 4th round of combat if it would get u to play on.

[corriganbp]

you guys had respectable odds on that attack.  this is the first time I’ve faced a real Moscow rush.  I’ve played some people that thought they were rushing Moscow but not like this.

your odds were decent but nothing close to 100% guaranteed, and I think that we could defend against this even better next time, now that we see how effective this plan is.

but you haven’t convinced me to go barbarossa as germany, i’m still a sea lion guy.

[Noll]

Guys I just followed Jim instructions for his G6, let’s see what he has to say.

[Jennifer]

Admittedly I screwed up, I should have had my planes in C. Persia last round so they would have been in Moscow as well. Â

You did better than average on the AA Guns, 2 of 15 shots.  (2.5 rounds to 3 so I would have expected 3 hits.)

Round 1

• Attacker should have gotten 25 hits (24.5 average) - 26 actual, so better than average again
• Defender should have gotten 24 hits (23.5 average) - 27 actual, so better than average for the defense
  So far luck’s pretty even I would say, you escaped with an extra aircraft and did an extra point of damage, the defender did 3 extra points of damage so we’re one unit in favor of the defense right now.

Round 2

• Attacker should have gotten 20 hits (20 average) - 17 actual, so worse than average
• Defender should have gotten 17 hits (16.83 average) - 18 actual, so better than average for the defense
  This round turns the Axis luck and they may have been better off retreating at this point (with 100% hindsight.)  Overall the axis are short 6 units.

Round 3

• Attacker should have gotten 14 hits (14 average) - 16 actual, so better than average again
• Defender should have gotten 11 hits (11.16 average) - 14 actual, so better than average for the defense
  Luck is really turning against the Axis now, we’re 7 units in favor of the allies.  Well within expected results still, given the shear number of units engaged, but it looks dreary not only for the allies to take Moscow but to hold it.

Round 4

• Attacker should have gotten 6 hits (6.16 average) - 5 actual, so worse than average again
• Defender should have gotten 6 hits (5.85 average) - 8 actual, so better than average for the defense
  It’s pretty much over for the axis now.  Axis are down 10 units from where they should be.

Round 5
I’m not going to bother, you only have 2 units vs 9 units, this round was just a coup-de-gras.

All in all, assuming your AA Gun roll did not change, I would have expected the following result:  6 Armor and all aircraft left.

Basically, after Round 3 you may have been better off retreating.

[Jennifer]

@Noll:

Guys I just followed Jim instructions for his G6, let’s see what he has to say.

That’s fine.  Perhaps the 5 of us can come to some sort of agreement where the Axis conceed but we pretend everything up to some point is exactly like last game but we rewind to some point just because it’s more funner to play longer games.  Or perhaps the 5 of us play again with different countries or whatnot?

[Noll]

I do enjoy playing group games.

[Jennifer]

@Noll:

I do enjoy playing group games.

If they move this fast (equivalent to the speed of 2 player online games) I don’t mind playing them.  And when it isn’t 3 on 1 helps too. wink

[corriganbp]

I think that they’ve got major problems even if they retreat, their whole strategy revolved around a R6 attack.

[jim010]

I concede.  Odds were 70%.  This is the third time with good odds that Moscow failed.   I really am hating the dice.

Ghr2, you don’t get it.  Putting all your eggs in one basket and losing means game over.  It is no different than losing Sealion.  There is NO hope of 13 cities now.   There is no follow up on Moscow.  Those Far East inf walk into Moscow plus buys and we’ll never be able to take it.  You won.  Take your win.  If you think you could win then switch sides.

Corrigan, I am also a Sealion guy since the basic strategy was fleshed out back in the fall of 2010.  I’ve never lost with a successful Sealion.  I’ve been trying to flesh out this Moscow rush, and turn 6 is the fastest I can attack Moscow.  Maybe there’s more tweaking to be done.  Should Russia fall, I’d say game over.

Good game.

[corriganbp]

ah poor Ryan the victory ;)

still he did shock me a little when he spent the entire game marching back from Siberia, only to decide at the very last minute to abandon the recapture or defense of moscow and instead focus on the japs.

(sorry ryan - that’s advice for a future game, now I know I once said that I draw the line at Novosibirks, but that’s in a normal game, and it doesn’t mean everything defends at Novo)

also, 2 inf and 2 art vs smolensk was a little more than I would throw

still we all could spend time second guessing each other, some might say that my bomber builds and use of bombers as cannon fodder was wrong headed

[corriganbp]

poor Ryan, the champion of the world, although Russia looks a little beat up right now

[jim010]

In his defense, if those far east inf are in Moscow it would take me qiute a few turns to catch up, let alone get 70% odds again.  And with spending good money in the Atlantic, I don’t think I can do it.  He did a good job of never giving me a decisive battle intil Moscow.

[jim010]

If you want to play again, I’m up for that.  I no good with Allies though.

Axisplaya has indicated he’ll play.  He, Noll and I against you 3 again?

[Jennifer]

@jim010:

In his defense, if those far east inf are in Moscow it would take me qiute a few turns to catch up, let alone get 70% odds again.  And with spending good money in the Atlantic, I don’t think I can do it.  He did a good job of never giving me a decisive battle intil Moscow.

Imagine how bad it would have been if I had not made a mistake and put the 2 fighters, tactical in Iraq.  If they were in C. Persia they would have been in Moscow for your attack.

Honestly, I’d go with a round 7 attack, round 6 seems ambitious.  The Russians have to be out of character and be walking from round 1 to get 12 infantry to Moscow before round 7 attack and most players don’t start on round 1, they generally start when all 18 infantry can move together.

[Jennifer]

@jim010:

If you want to play again, I’m up for that.  I no good with Allies though.

Axisplaya has indicated he’ll play.  He, Noll and I against you 3 again?

I’ll play.  Just give me whatever country(ies) that are left.

[Noll]

I’d love to!

[corriganbp]

I don’t disagree with marching them back from Siberia, was just surprised when he appeared to abandon that strategy on the last turn.

[corriganbp]

I agree that Russia can’t let the Germans get the better of them against that kind of game plan, no trading troops for land and time, instead you must give land and time to preserve the troops.

[corriganbp]

I will play as well, but team work as the Allies is very difficult in online play.  In FTF you know that you will use teamwork, in online, it’s almost like we’re playing in silos and trying to read each others minds.

[jim010]

A huge disadvantage, to be sure.  I find that as a solo player it is easier to outplay a large team.

And I do like your bmb moves.  I didn’t anticipate that from the WUS.  One more nail in the coffin for a turn 7 hit.

Are we playing total VC again?  I am on an iphone and can’t start until later in the week