Myself it really depends on what Germany does, though my standard moves are, Dest from SZ35 to SZ59, Sub from SZ40 to SZ45, The Subs a 50/50, some people like to take the carrier to the tran as well but, I prefer the Dest Alone. If Africa is going good, Namely if I can retake EGY, then the tran in SZ40 takes two inf from AUS and invades New Guinea (Something nice to try) If I cannot retake EGY I like to use the Tran to pick up 2 INF from AUS and then move to SZ30, then on UK2 drop them anywhere along the Africa coast (Even Persia if it needs them). If Germany takes EGY and you “can” retake it, then do it bringing 2 inf from IND, 1 INF from TRJ and the Fighter from SZ35 (You can also bring your Bomber but I usually don’t). Otherwise I like to stack 2 inf in TRJ and the 3 Indian Inf and A-A gun to Persia. The AC stays with the Tran wherever it decides to go. If Germany is stupid and doesn’t take EGY, then smile :lol: happily and move the INF from TRJ into it, stack 4 + A-A gun in Persia, move the FIG to EGY and move the Tran and AC to SZ33 (Out of reach of the IJN).
The SAF INF always moves up, regardless of what you do.
The British Fleet
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Again, with THAT level of comitment in Asia, Germany is all over Russia like diaper rash… buildiing in Caucuses, etc.
And to get ARM to India right away, Russia has to forego Ukraine on R1…
That reduces Russian income, and leaves Germany with some nice bonus forces… probably enough to kill the WRS if they want to, leaving Russia virtually defensless… -
Taking Borneo and having 5 inf in India are mutually exclusive events. If you use just 1 inf and 1 ftr to take Borneo the most you can have guarding India without commiting Russian fighters is 3 british inf and 1 russian arm. Japan is 85% to take India on J1 with 2 inf 4 ftr and 1 bom. Japan will lose ftrs but capturing the factory is a 30 IPC ecomic swing.
Committing Russian fighters means forgoing any attack against Belo and Ukraine which sort of defeats the point of taking Borneo. Your essentially transfering Russian money to UK. -
Well, you either attack Borneo or you get the Factory. If you leave Borneo alone you can have 5 infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 Fighter from England in India, 2 Fighters from Russia in India. 1 IC. No way does Japan even have a smidgeon of a bat’s chance in heck to even dream of hitting it for at least 2 or 3 rounds.
Or you give up India, take Borneo then stack it with Aus infantry and put a factory there. Even if Japan does take it, you tie up his transports if he’s going to use it.
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I have to agree there ShadowHawk.
The last thing UK needs with their income dwindling each round is a baby UK next to Japan’s base of operations. UK has enough to worry about keeping London from the Germans. Now they want to add anotehr island IC with half the production of London?
You either just build land units, and spend $15 for the IC, another $12 for INF, then however much more in subsequent turns just to keep $4 of income, or you have to spend ALL of UK’s income to build navy there, then more for land units to move around.
And again I’ll ask the question… what was Germany doing in the mean time… just a couple of TRNs in the Baltic when UK drops the IC, and it is Sea Lion time…
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And let’s not forget that a unified English Fleet on UK1 will sink the Jap BB/AC and 2 Fighters if attacked. So which do you choose? The British fleet or the American fleet to sink? Because you cannot do both AND use your transports to bolster your forces on the Mainland.
So, the act of unifying a fleet that’s going to get destroyed anyway, just stopped you from putting 4 fighters, 1 bomber and 4 land units into Asia that would be there for use on J2 and probably cost you a capital ship or two in your attacks.
For 0 investment, that’s a pretty significant return.
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From your original post you are saying that you are uniting the entire Indian Fleet … does this mean you are not going to attack the Japanese Trn in Sz 59 … I thought this was a pretty standard move why aren’t you doing it?
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I think that it would be nice if you would go into more detail about the projected USSR and UK moves. I’d rather not post a lengthy reply, then suddenly find that there were 6 infantry and a fighter in Burytia (the UK fighter from the Indian Ocean) when I assumed there would be nothing, or find out that there was an Indian IC, or something similarly important.
Faced with an Indian IC and a unified fleet southwest of Australia - well, assuming no other unusual factors, and given that I don’t have a board in front of me, I can’t say for sure. But I’d probably do something like build three transports off the east coast of Japan, or perhaps two transports and a fighter, leaving the Jap battleship at the east coast of Japan there as an escort, and unifying Jap carriers and the second Jap battleship at the Solomons off Hawaii, and sending sub, destroyer, fighters and bomber to Pearl. I lose the sub, and possibly destroyer and fighter as well. However, Japan will NOT lose any more fighters in the forseeable future, unless the US decides to attack Solomons, which is probably a bad move. On J2, the Japanese navy moves west, or southwest from Solomons.
Basically - you sink 15 IPC into an industrial complex which must be protected; this relieves pressure on Germany. Also, you unify the UK fleet in the Indian Ocean. This is supposed to put pressure on the Japanese, and it does. It also puts pressure on the Germans in Africa. But now you have to protect London and Calcutta, and the only expansion point from India is French Indochina, which is only one transport trip away from Japan. So now what? The Soviet Far East collapses (no big deal), but more importantly, the Allied attack on Germany slows to an crawl, and Japan starts running a gigantic tank force into China, from where it can unite at Novosibirsk with infantry coming in from the Soviet Far East (and they cannot be dislodged unless the USSR has a gigantic force in Moscow, which is improbable given the fact that the Germans will have less pressure applied to them by the Allies). The tanks in China can also hit India with any French Indochina infantry. Japan can even just let French Indochina be taken, since it can take right back with six-eight infantry from Japan, tanks from China, and air force. This is even easier because I presume that the Japanese transport off Kwangtung survives in your scenario, which means four additional units in Asia by the end of J2.
I’m not saying that unifying the UK fleet southwest of Australia combined with an Indian IC is a BAD move, but I think I would certainly change some things in your proposal, like two USSR fighters in India, among other things. The general picture I get from the description is a UK strongpoint in India and better UK control of Africa for the first couple of turns, but a horribly weakened USSR-German front (the USSR fighters cannot afford to stay in India), as well as a considerably weakened UK/US vs. Germany attack. The unified UK fleet can’t do much on offense because UK fighters from London can’t reach for a couple of turns (by which time Japan can bring the entire power of its navy and air force to bear), and the added punch of a bomber just isn’t enough against a battleship, two loaded carriers, and transport fodder, which is what you’ll face as early as J2.
Note that you probably won’t be able to unite the UK fleet with a US Pac fleet, because the order is UK-Japan-US. So if the UK fleet moves within Japan’s striking distance, Japan will probably just kill it. The order must be the US moves in, then UK reinforces, then Japan is faced with a unified navy - but that’s very difficult to do unless the UK fleet sneaks south of Australia, which means that it can’t slow the invasion of India or lend support to Africa at all. As for forcing the Japanese to commit their fleet to attacking the UK fleet, and having the US counterattack the weakened forces, I don’t see it happening, given the map.
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From your original post you are saying that you are uniting the entire Indian Fleet … does this mean you are not going to attack the Japanese Trn in Sz 59 … I thought this was a pretty standard move why aren’t you doing it?
Here’s the basic premise, and i’m going to assume standard German moves. I realize that you cannot count 100% on the outcome of the dice or the German’s move or the location of bid units, so please take into consideration that those objects could drastically alter the game!
Bid: 7
2 German Infantry in Ukraine
1 IPC to Japan.Buy: 8 Infantry (This is the most conservative Russian build. However, 4 Infantry, 3 Artillery works well, or 3 Infantry, 3 Armor work.)
11 Infantry, 4 Armor, 2 Artillery, 1 Fighter to West Russia.
* 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter from Karelia
* 3 Infantry, 1 Armor from Archangelsk
* 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor from Caucasus
* 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Armor from RussiaLL Results are: 2 Defender Kills, 5 Attacker Kills. 1 Round of Combat.
NCM:
1 Fighter from Russia to Kazahk to Persia to India to Sea Zone 35, land on English Carrier
1 AA Gun from Caucasus to W. Russia
1 Submarine from Sea Zone 4 to Sea Zone 2
1 Fighter from W. Russia to Yakut SSR
2 Infantry from Kazahk to Persia
2 Infantry from Novosibirsk to Kazahk
2 Infantry from Evenki to Novosibirsk
2 Infantry from Yakut to Novosibirsk
2 Infantry from SFE to Yakut
2 Infantry from Buryatia to YakutPlace: 8 Infantry in Russia
Germany: Buy 1 Aircraft Carrier, 8 Infantry
BB/TRN from SZ 14 to SZ 15
1 Inf, 1 Art from S. Europe to Egypt
1 Inf, 1 Arm from Libya to Egypt
1 Fig from Balkans to Egypt
1 Fig from Ukraine to SZ 15
1 Bmb from Germany to Egypt
1 Sub from SZ 8 to SZ 13
1 Fig from Germany, 1 Fig from W. Europe, 1 Fig from Finland to SZ 13
3 Inf from Finland to Karelia
1 Inf from Ukraine to CaucasusLL:
SZ 15 cleared with damage to battleship
Egypt 2 hits for attacker, 2 hits for defender on R1; 2 hits for attacker, 1 hit for defender on R2
Karelia no hits for attacker or defender R1: 1 hit for attacker, one hit for defender R2
SZ 13 2 hits for attacker, 1 hit for defenderNCM:
Bomber/Fighter from Egypt land in Libya
Infantry/Artillery from Algeria move to Libya
2 Fighters from SZ 13 to W. Europe
1 Fighter from SZ 13 to SZ 5
1 Fighter from E.Europe to SZ 5
2 Infantry, 1 Armor from E. Europe to Ukraine
2 Infantry, 1 Armor from Balkans to Ukraine
2 Armor from Germany to Ukraine
1 Armor from S. Europe to Ukraine
1 Fighter from SZ 15 to Ukraine
2 Infantry from Belorussia to Ukraine
3 Infantry from Germany to W. Europe
1 Infantry from S. Europe to W. EuropePlace AC in SZ 5; 6 Infantry in Germany, 2 Infantry in S. Europe
England:
30: Buy 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters
combat:
TRN SZ 1 with Armor to SZ 8 get Infantry to SZ 12
TRN SZ 2 with Armor/Infantry to SZ 12
BB to SZ 12 from SZ 2- 2 Armor, 2 Infantry to Algeria
SBR Germany (3 dmg)
NCM:
Bomber lands in England
2 Fighters move to W. Russia
DD, TRN, AC, 2 FIG (1 UK/1 USSR) move to SZ 38 from SZ 35
TRN, SS move from SZ 40 to SZ 38
Infantry from Trans-Jordan to Persia
3 Infantry, 1 AA from India to Persia
1 Infantry to Alaska from W. CanadaPlace 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters on England
It is now Japan’s turn, what do you do?
(note, I went with low luck and I biased it against the attacker and for the defender. Meaning that if the attacker didn’t have a remainder of 3 or better he missed and if the defender had a remainder of less then 3 he missed.)
Japan’s in a quandry, navally. He has 2 transports, 1 submarine, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and an Aircraft Carrier in SZ 38, in prime position to snipe islands. Meanwhile, the Americans are sitting there begging to loose a Carrier in Hawaii.
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Speaking for myself…
As Japan, I build an IC and 2 TRN, saving 1 (also, my bid placement would nto ahve been 2 INF to Ukraine, but 2 INF to Libya, so I would have 2 more units in Egypt, thus able to take 4 additional territories on G2 instead of 1. I also do not concur with your uses of Germany Eastern forces, but I’ll skip that for now.)
Now, as Japan:
1 INF FIC to India (vacant, taken w/o loss)
1 INF Manch to Bury (vacant, taken w/o loss)China (2 INF, 1 FIG):
1 INF Manch, 1 INF FIC, 3 INF Kwang to China
1 FIG Manch to China
1 FIG Japan to China
(China taken w/ 3 INF, 2 FIGs)SZ38 (2 TRN, 1 AC, 2 FIG, 1 DST, 1 SUB):
1 BB, 1 AC, 2 FIG SZ37
1 FIG FIC
1 FIG Carolines AC
Result: MUTUAL DESTRUCTIONPearl (1 AC, 1 FIG, 1 SUB)
1 BB SZ60
1 DST Carolines
1 AC Carolines
1 SUB Carolines
1 BOM Japan
(SZ52 cleared, 1 BB, 1 AC, 1 DST, 1 BOM surviving)The above is using the no luck sim at Frood.
NCM:
SZ59 TRN and SZ60 TRN to SZ61
Bridge 2 INF, 1 ART, 1 ARM to Manch
Land 2 FIG China in Manch
Land BOM from Pearl in JapanPlacement:
IC in Manch
2 TRN in SZ61Japan has cleared the Pacific except for the WUS BB and TRN.
Germany is free to raid like crazy in Africa.
Russia is down a FIG
Japan is +6 IPC’s, for $37 total.
I have 4 TRN in the inner SZ where they are immune to any attempt to reach them in Turn 2 by Allied air or sea units.For the US to kill my Pearl fleet, they have to send their BB, TRN, and 2 FIGs minimum. That leaves the US with a BB in the Pacific. Add 1 DST on J2 to protect my 4 TRNs, and Japan is off to the races…
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Good one ncscswitch. I like the way you handle Japan. The key for a KJF defense is to be confident.
However, how would you respond to the same + the UK bomber in Novo or Sinkiang?
I know Jen used it for SBR but let’s assume she hadn’t…
Would you do the same battles and buy that destroyer on J1?
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Nice post; very detailed.
But I cannot say that the standard German moves in your area are the same as the standard German moves where I play. I usually see placement of German units in Africa to aid in the attack on Anglo-Egypt without forcing the Mediterranean fleet to support. Anglo-Egypt is taken, preventing the UK destroyer there from escaping, and preventing the Indian fleet from reinforcing in the Mediterranean. (No German air is risked against the UK destroyer, since the UK destroyer can hardly do anything if Germany takes Gibraltar, which prevents 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, and bomber attacking the German Med fleet). The German sub in the Atlantic is very likely preserved instead of being taken as fodder to the UK battleship. A UK/US attack on Algeria is far less likely with the German transport, sub, 5 fighters, bomber, and battleship in range. (I presume that USSR took the Ukraine as well as West Russia, which is a reasonable possibility in most games, and that I landed fighters in Western Europe to discourage landings in Algeria, to threaten the sea zone west of Algeria, and to threaten invasion of London). NOTE: I don’t usually use a German bid in Africa myself; I typically run two Mediterranean transports these days and attack Anglo-Egypt with overwhelming force, but I am leaning in favor of the old German Africa bid again these days).
The USSR attacks I usually see are either West Russia and Belorussia (with 3 infantry and 2 fighters), or West Russia and Ukraine (with assorted ground units, two fighters, and usually two tanks tops, although I suppose some players might use three tanks instead)
In the scenario you mentioned, with only slight changes to the German plan, I can see that there is a decent possibility of Germany taking London on G2 with infantry, tank, five to six fighters, (depending on whether or not USSR did the Ukraine attack, I presume no German air was risked against the lone UK destroyer at Anglo-Egypt) and bomber going against a bomber, two infantry, two artillery, two fighters, and an AA gun.
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As far as Japan goes - the proposed move is to unify the UK fleet of 2 transports, sub, destroyer, carrier, fighter, and USSR fighter at sea zone 38, not 30. That means the UK fleet is in range of the Solomon islands next turn, or the waters off East Indies, Borneo, India, and French Indochina (opening up a strong possibility of a combined attack of Australian and Indian infantry against French Indochina). The Solomon threat can be made a lot stronger with a UK bomber at Western U.S…
The sea zone 30 alternative can only be hit by a carrier, 4 fighters, and a battleship. The sea zone 38 alternative puts more pressure on Japan, but can be hit by two carriers, a sub, a destroyer, 4 fighters, and a battleship. Seeing that this could become very expensive for Japan, I would probably not do it.
Both sea zone 30 and sea zone 38 are far out of range of Japan’s western and eastern sea zones, so the UK cannot hit any Japanese transports there, even with fighters from carriers (since the fighters have to land), unless UK has Long Range Aircraft. Of course, if UK puts its bomber in China (also fairly common where I am), it can hit any isolated transports, assuming the Japanese battleship intiially in Japan’s eastern waters moved off to protect against the Solomon threat.
Typically, I put a battleship and two carriers at the Solomons, and hit the US fleet with sub (if it survived), destroyer, 4-5 fighters, and bomber, losing the sub and the destroyer and perhaps a fighter or two tops. This assumes no UK reinforcement of Pearl with the UK Indian fighter. If the UK did reinforce Pearl, I might well go for a naval/air attack instead, bringing along an additional transport for fodder, and try to hold the waters around Pearl instead of standing off at the Solomons.
If the UK unified at sea zone 38 with a Russian fighter, if there was an Indian IC, I think I might forgo Pearl Harbor, attack the unified UK fleet, and keep a Japanese battleship to escort transports west of Japan.
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With the given scenario, though, I think I might purchase two transports and an industrial complex (given a Japan bid of 1 IPC), or two transports and a fighter, send the Kwangtung transport north to take Soviet Far East, send Jap air, sub, and destroyer to take out Pearl, and unify the rest of the Japan navy at the Solomons, for two battleships, two loaded carriers, and transport, ready to attack Western U.S, Australia, or New Zealand. I’d split newly built transports between eastern and western Japan sea zones, if there were a UK bomber in China (I know there wasn’t one there in the given scenario, but if there was), or put both transports in western Japan to protect against Long Range Aircraft attack from the U.S.
From your original post you are saying that you are uniting the entire Indian Fleet … does this mean you are not going to attack the Japanese Trn in Sz 59 … I thought this was a pretty standard move why aren’t you doing it?
Here’s the basic premise, and i’m going to assume standard German moves. I realize that you cannot count 100% on the outcome of the dice or the German’s move or the location of bid units, so please take into consideration that those objects could drastically alter the game!
Bid: 7
2 German Infantry in Ukraine
1 IPC to Japan.Buy: 8 Infantry (This is the most conservative Russian build. However, 4 Infantry, 3 Artillery works well, or 3 Infantry, 3 Armor work.)
11 Infantry, 4 Armor, 2 Artillery, 1 Fighter to West Russia.
* 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter from Karelia
* 3 Infantry, 1 Armor from Archangelsk
* 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Armor from Caucasus
* 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Armor from RussiaLL Results are: 2 Defender Kills, 5 Attacker Kills. 1 Round of Combat.
NCM:
1 Fighter from Russia to Kazahk to Persia to India to Sea Zone 35, land on English Carrier
1 AA Gun from Caucasus to W. Russia
1 Submarine from Sea Zone 4 to Sea Zone 2
1 Fighter from W. Russia to Yakut SSR
2 Infantry from Kazahk to Persia
2 Infantry from Novosibirsk to Kazahk
2 Infantry from Evenki to Novosibirsk
2 Infantry from Yakut to Novosibirsk
2 Infantry from SFE to Yakut
2 Infantry from Buryatia to YakutPlace: 8 Infantry in Russia
Germany: Buy 1 Aircraft Carrier, 8 Infantry
BB/TRN from SZ 14 to SZ 15
1 Inf, 1 Art from S. Europe to Egypt
1 Inf, 1 Arm from Libya to Egypt
1 Fig from Balkans to Egypt
1 Fig from Ukraine to SZ 15
1 Bmb from Germany to Egypt
1 Sub from SZ 8 to SZ 13
1 Fig from Germany, 1 Fig from W. Europe, 1 Fig from Finland to SZ 13
3 Inf from Finland to Karelia
1 Inf from Ukraine to CaucasusLL:
SZ 15 cleared with damage to battleship
Egypt 2 hits for attacker, 2 hits for defender on R1; 2 hits for attacker, 1 hit for defender on R2
Karelia no hits for attacker or defender R1: 1 hit for attacker, one hit for defender R2
SZ 13 2 hits for attacker, 1 hit for defenderNCM:
Bomber/Fighter from Egypt land in Libya
Infantry/Artillery from Algeria move to Libya
2 Fighters from SZ 13 to W. Europe
1 Fighter from SZ 13 to SZ 5
1 Fighter from E.Europe to SZ 5
2 Infantry, 1 Armor from E. Europe to Ukraine
2 Infantry, 1 Armor from Balkans to Ukraine
2 Armor from Germany to Ukraine
1 Armor from S. Europe to Ukraine
1 Fighter from SZ 15 to Ukraine
2 Infantry from Belorussia to Ukraine
3 Infantry from Germany to W. Europe
1 Infantry from S. Europe to W. EuropePlace AC in SZ 5; 6 Infantry in Germany, 2 Infantry in S. Europe
England:
30: Buy 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters
combat:
TRN SZ 1 with Armor to SZ 8 get Infantry to SZ 12
TRN SZ 2 with Armor/Infantry to SZ 12
BB to SZ 12 from SZ 2- 2 Armor, 2 Infantry to Algeria
SBR Germany (3 dmg)
NCM:
Bomber lands in England
2 Fighters move to W. Russia
DD, TRN, AC, 2 FIG (1 UK/1 USSR) move to SZ 38 from SZ 35
TRN, SS move from SZ 40 to SZ 38
Infantry from Trans-Jordan to Persia
3 Infantry, 1 AA from India to Persia
1 Infantry to Alaska from W. CanadaPlace 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 Fighters on England
It is now Japan’s turn, what do you do?
(note, I went with low luck and I biased it against the attacker and for the defender. Meaning that if the attacker didn’t have a remainder of 3 or better he missed and if the defender had a remainder of less then 3 he missed.)
Japan’s in a quandry, navally. He has 2 transports, 1 submarine, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and an Aircraft Carrier in SZ 38, in prime position to snipe islands. Meanwhile, the Americans are sitting there begging to loose a Carrier in Hawaii.
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Good one ncscswitch. I like the way you handle Japan. The key for a KJF defense is to be confident.
However, how would you respond to the same + the UK bomber in Novo or Sinkiang?
I know Jen used it for SBR but let’s assume she hadn’t…
Would you do the same battles and buy that destroyer on J1?
I’m not sure I would call it a KJF without an Indian industrial complex, even though the commitment of a Russian fighter is pretty important. It’s a KJF if the US builds a big Pacific fleet, but the Japs wouldn’t know that until after the US turn.
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For Jen’s initial scenerio there, I agree with Switch, I think Germany should place in Lib.
However, I think Russia should be much more aggressive on Rd 1 (within reason), if you think you might be doing a UK unification on UK 1.
The main reason is to keep the pressure on Germany preventing them from doing too much in the Baltic or Afr.
Also, even if the Inf are placed in Ukr, you should attack. You still have a 21-19 adv and you can always retreat prior to taking. But you should still take with an arm and ftrs.
If the Inf are placed in Afr, you can probably write off an Egy counter, but that shouldnt hurt too much b/c you can take Ukr stronger and setup an even better trap for Japan.
Now I’ll take Switch’s counter to the UK Move. Although I do like sz 30 with inf over sz 38, but they serve the same purpose.
I think Japan without a fleet is troublesome. With the loss of 4 ftrs and the rest of your fleet on US 1 (except trns in sz 61) you put your self in some danger.
US can buy 1 AC, 1 trn, 1 ftr.
And Japan can’t pressure Sin or Yak with the loss of most air on J1. At least not as effectively as I like. And it should be pretty easy to prevent Japan from moving to either on J2.Further, on US 2, prior to placement the US has 1 BB (at Pearl), 1 AC, 2 ftrs, 1 dd, 1 trn all in Wus sz.
So US Buys AC with 2 ftrs on US 2 and moves to Wake on US 2 combat move.1 dd, 4 trns, 1 bom, 2 ftrs (Japan) vs. 1 BB, 1 AC, 2 ftrs, 1 DD, 1 trn (US) with 1 AC, 2 ftrs in WUS. This is a very bad attack for Japan, so the logical course is to now concede all of the Pac to the US.
Now you are stuck in SZ 61, but just as you can claim Sin, Yak on J3, you’ll be losing Phil and the other islands.
If Russia is played right they can keep the pressure on Germany for the first 3-5 turns easy as the UK gets rolling in the European theatre while not having to worry about Japan’s paper tiger status.
The tradeoff here, and it is might not be obvious, comes down to:
Normaly the UK DD (possibly AC) take out the Jap trn, then get killed on a counter, while the tran off Egy will be picked off by German air and the Sub and trn retreat to the Atalntic or somewhere non essential for the first 2-3 rds.
And of course the US ships at pearl are lost (every game) for basically a sub and 1 bb hit (sometimes you get the dd, but 3 defender hits is not the norm).So the essential loss for Japan is the trn off Kwa and possibly one ftr if the AC was brought, but they still have 2 bb, 2 ac, 5 ftrs, 1 bom.
BUT
In the Pac Move, you lose basically the same allied units but take out the entire Japan fleet plus 3-4 ftrs.
I know which instance gets more bang for your buck.
And with good Russian play Germany will be too concerned about a possible Russian stack in Ukr to worry about London, especially if the Germans bought an AC on G1.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
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For Jen’s initial scenerio there, I agree with Switch, I think Germany should place in Lib.
However, I think Russia should be much more aggressive on Rd 1 (within reason), if you think you might be doing a UK unification on UK 1.
You’ll notice that Jen’s post (I’m not sure if it was the “initial scenario” or a later posting) mentioned sending the USSR fighter to the UK carrier off India. Given that, USSR only has ONE fighter usable in combat.
A 3 inf 1 fighter attack on Germany’s 3 Belorussia infantry would still be somewhat favorable. But Ukraine would probably be right out, even without any German bid placement there. If you want to only use 1 fighter in the attack on the Ukraine, that means you have to send everything you’ve got (i.e. three tanks instead of two), and Germany will certainly kill those tanks regardless of the USSR bid. You could counter with four inf two art from Caucasus and two tanks from Moscow, but then Germany could counter with transported units from Southern Europe plus an E. Europe stack. With the Russian fighter sitting on the UK carrier, Russia is stretched pretty thin. With the loss of three tanks, USSR would be stretched out even more.
Anyways, as Germany, I never worry about a USSR Ukraine stack. It’s inconvenient, but if the stack is thin, I can threaten it with the Med transport and air. If the stack is thick, I could possibly take an underdefended Caucasus. In either event, I can go north to Karelia then Archangel, forcing the USSR to retreat to W. Russia to prevent a German infantry and tank stack in W. Russia or an attack on Moscow through Archangel. Not great, maybe, but USSR can hardly afford to go west from Ukraine.
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Oh, okay.
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Oh, okay.
Yeah, I’d never send the Russian ftr to Ind or Ind/sz or wherever.What if I gave you a cookie?
A really NICE cookie.
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Chocolate Chip?
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flys Russian ftrs to India
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Well, the only flaws I see with Switch’s response is this:
31 IPC - 15 for an IC - 16 for two transports does not leave 1 as change. (it’s nit picky, but I’m picking that nit anyway.)
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Japan is now without a fleet. No carriers, no battleships, only a few transports. America has a full battleship and some fighters. If they build a carrier, and some transports they can easily have 2 transports, 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 dd (sz 20) and 1 BB running amuck with no possible way for Japan to stop them.
Even without doing that, all the allies have to do is keep some fighters and bombers in range and they can prevent Japan from using her transports to great effect without SIGNIFICANT investments into naval units by Japan.
Retaking Caucasus, Ukraine, India, and Belorussia should be simplistic. Meanwhile, England and America are shuffling 8-12 units per turn into Africa or they may switch to landing in Finland/Karelia/Archangelsk depending on the situation.
Russia’s down 1 fighter, but they successfully destroyed 4 fighters, 1 carrier and 1 battleship. That’s 50% of the Jap fleet, 67% of the Jap airforce. (60% if you include her bomber.)
It’s almost an exceptionally good trade off! End round 1: Japan has no dominance in the pacific. Russia’s down 1 fighter. Germany’s not yet up to full production. Japan’s no stronger then they would be normally on Asia, but exceptionally weaker. England has plenty of Airforce to sink the Baltic fleet on UK 2, or at the least, do massive damage and follow up later…
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