15L G40 wheatbeer (Axis) vs axisdominion (Allies +18)

[wheatbeer]

posting as a reminder

[axis-dominion]

Hey yah I was gonna let u know I’ve been really engaged in another very complex game and am trying to finish that one off before getting back to this one. I’m hoping that one can finish in the next few days. It’s getting hard for me to play multiple complex games with my busy family life. Is that cool with you? Then I promise our game will be highest priority and I’ll make moves daily.

[wheatbeer]

Ok doke … good luck in your other match.

[axis-dominion]

Thanks buddy. That one is progressing rapidly, several rounds a day, so I’m expecting it to head to a conclusion sooner than later.

[axis-dominion]

I guess the other one slowed down. I’ll try to get this one in sometime tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

I noticed you’ve picked up a few WaW games. How does it compare in your opinion? I looked at the map for the first time, and while the idea of an even bigger map seems appealing, it also seemed quite overwhelming, and the graphics unwieldy.

[wheatbeer]

Graphics were fine for me after playing a few rounds. I guess you need to use the territory tab to scan territories occasionally to see what’s there.

I like the big map and all the extra units. The map feels even bigger because there are no air and naval bases to speed travel. I also like the additional powers and the fact that the Allies are much stronger in WaW than G40.

The scope of WaW (bigger map, more IPC, more units) makes it easier to recover from a bad battle than in G40.

Your first WaW game you’d want to be careful to make sure you didn’t forget units (especially British and Yamamoto). If possible I’d play the first turn on a desktop PC screen and not a laptop screen.

I haven’t played enough to judge whether it is truly balanced (especially since everyone playing is new to it and blunders are more common). But there are no complex rules like G40, so learning isn’t too hard.

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 6 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters moved from Spain to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 armour moved from Burma to Shan State
                  Americans take Shan State from Japanese
            1 armour moved from Shan State to Burma
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 30 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 30 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                Americans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Americans attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Americans attack with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Italians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Americans win, taking Northern Italy from Italians with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Spain to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
            1 fighter and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            4 fighters moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 aaGun moved from Spain to Southern France
            3 artilleries moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 80 Sea Zone to Burma
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Burma
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Burma to Kweichow
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            3 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 fighter moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            3 fighters moved from 80 Sea Zone to Caucasus
            1 transport moved from 65 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Western United States to Mexico
            1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 30 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Midway to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 64 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            3 infantry placed in Southern France
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Spain
            Americans undo move 2.
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Spain
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Korea
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Persia
            1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 bomber placed in Eastern United States
            Americans undo move 7.
            1 bomber and 2 fighters placed in Western United States
            Americans undo move 5.
            1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,6,6,3,6
            Americans collect 74 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 74 PUs total
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 89 PUs

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            2 fighters could not land in 92 Sea Zone and were removed
            8 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            5 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma

Place Units - Chinese
            8 infantry placed in Jehol

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Purchase Units - British
            British repair damage of 4x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            British buy 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Combat - British
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Japanese with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 89 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 92 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Saudi Arabia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Saudi Arabia to Iraq
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Trans-Jordan to Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters moved from Southern France to Caucasus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Persia to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Spain
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            3 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Saudi Arabia
            7 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 aaGun and 1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Burma

Place Units - British
            2 transports placed in 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 infantry placed in Saudi Arabia
            British undo move 3.
            British undo move 1.
            2 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 transports placed in 81 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Persia: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs total

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Purchase Units - British
            British repair damage of 4x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            British buy 3 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            3 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Anglo Egyptian Sudan

Combat - British
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Japanese with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 89 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 92 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Saudi Arabia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Saudi Arabia to Iraq
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Trans-Jordan to Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters moved from Southern France to Caucasus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Persia to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Spain
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            3 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern France
            2 fighters moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Saudi Arabia
            7 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 aaGun and 1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Burma

Place Units - British
            2 transports placed in 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 infantry placed in Saudi Arabia
            British undo move 3.
            British undo move 1.
            2 infantry placed in Egypt
            2 transports placed in 81 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Persia: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs total

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

[axis-dominion]

Good info on comparing the two games, thank you. I may at some point try that one out. I must say, one of my favorite features of G40 is the naval/air base, which I think is brilliant. I think I’d miss that in WaW.

So overall, which game do you think is better? and do you foresee yourself retiring from G40 play in favor of committing more to WaW play?

@wheatbeer:

Graphics were fine for me after playing a few rounds. I guess you need to use the territory tab to scan territories occasionally to see what’s there.

I like the big map and all the extra units. The map feels even bigger because there are no air and naval bases to speed travel. I also like the additional powers and the fact that the Allies are much stronger in WaW than G40.

The scope of WaW (bigger map, more IPC, more units) makes it easier to recover from a bad battle than in G40.

Your first WaW game you’d want to be careful to make sure you didn’t forget units (especially British and Yamamoto). If possible I’d play the first turn on a desktop PC screen and not a laptop screen.

I haven’t played enough to judge whether it is truly balanced (especially since everyone playing is new to it and blunders are more common). But there are no complex rules like G40, so learning isn’t too hard.

[wheatbeer]

I probably won’t give up G40 any time soon. I am doing pretty poorly for the 2015 season though.

Right now, I’d say I’m having more fun with WaW though.

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy nothing; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            3 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Italians attack with 3 fighters and 1 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Northern Italy
                Italians win, taking Northern Italy from Americans with 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 fighters moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6,6,2,4,5,4,2
            Italians collect 5 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 6 PUs total

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 63 / 73
    Russians : 17 / 0
    Japanese : 61 / 81
    Americans : 73 / 89
    Chinese : 23 / 23
    British : 25 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 3 / 0
    Italians : 9 / 6
    ANZAC : 0 / 0
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 2 / 0

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 22

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            2 infantry moved from Southern France to Spain

Turn Complete - French

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 23

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair damage of 1x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 72 PUs;
            Germans buy 8 artilleries, 4 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            19 armour, 26 artilleries, 18 infantry and 30 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Rostov
            1 infantry moved from Turkey to Northwest Persia
            2 bombers moved from Southern Italy to Northwest Persia
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Northwest Persia

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Rostov
                Germans attack with 19 armour, 26 artilleries, 19 infantry and 33 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 19 armour, 26 artilleries, 19 infantry and 33 mech_infantrys in Rostov, round 2 :  33/97 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
                Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 19 armour, 26 artilleries, 18 infantry and 33 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Germans attack with 3 bombers and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northwest Persia
                Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from Russians with 3 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 bombers moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey
            3 infantry moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Sweden to 113 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 aaGun, 16 artilleries and 26 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            4 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Western Germany
            1 mech_infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France
            1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Sweden to 113 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            3 carriers, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to France
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to France
            1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            3 artilleries placed in France
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            3 artilleries placed in Turkey
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia
            3 infantry placed in Sweden
            4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,4,1,4,6,3,3
            Germans collect 58 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 75 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 65 / 75
    Russians : 15 / 0
    Japanese : 61 / 81
    Americans : 73 / 89
    Chinese : 23 / 23
    British : 25 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 3 / 0
    Italians : 9 / 6
    ANZAC : 0 / 0
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 2 / 0

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TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 23

Combat Move - Russians
            5 armour, 9 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 68 infantry, 18 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Turkey
            2 fighters moved from Persia to Turkey
            2 bombers moved from Egypt to Turkey

[axis-dominion]

Need your OOL in turkey.

Looking to end this game one way or another  8-)

[wheatbeer]

My OOL will depend on your roll.

[axis-dominion]

You got no Aa hits and I got 28 hits.

[wheatbeer]

I’ll lose 28 infantry