Great picture.
Smart people voted for Bush
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@M36:
BTW- The stupidest people in the nation live in Connecticut, I know, I lived there.
You said it. I didn’t.
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Damn, I wonder how much my alleged 165 brought up the IQ average of North Carolina when I moved here??? LOL
As for that average income thing… that HAS to be per resident, not per wage earner. As a result, New England would rate higher on income due to an aging population (more adults, fewer children) while the sunbelt would be averaged down due to kids being thrown into the mix. The “Graying of America” is hitting New England far harder than elsewhere (thus Pennsylvania has a lottery that benefits ‘Senior Citizens’ while southern states have lotteries to benefit ‘education’)
And… um… Where do the Badnarik voters fall on that IQ/Income scale? Curious, since that is who I voted for in '04.
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I don’t doubt this as fact for an instant. I moved to TN 2 years ago and it astounds me how moronic these inbred white trash rednecks are. I knew a lot of dumb people in IL., but nothing compared to here.
As with everything, I don’t mean everyone. Both sides of the political spectrum has their idiots. Down here they don’t like dem Homosexools and kneegrows. Up north you have people who firmly believe that AIDS was invented by our government. :-o
That being said you are missing a very important point which makes the IQ/voting thing almost irrelevant, stupid people don’t vote. Some do granted, but the 1/2 of the population that doesn’t vote I bet you can find a lot of where these numbers come from. Do a poll of IQ with voters and I think the results will be much different.
Lord knows there is a TON of white trash down here who if brains were dynamite they couldn’t blow their nose. They bring down the numbers, but I bet they don’t vote either. Which to me is a good thing since most are on welfare and would vote democrat anyway.
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Damn, I wonder how much my alleged 165
Wtf are you some kind of genius, Ike?
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They could have done the IQ tests in Spanish.
I think Spanish speakers have a greater tendency to vote for one who they can directly communicate with.
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Damn, I wonder how much my alleged 165
Wtf are you some kind of genius, Ike?
Supposedly. Well… “Gifted” was the phrase that was always used…
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They could have done the IQ tests in Spanish
Thats very funny… good use of latent sarcasm!
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Does it matter IL? I mean folks claim that IQ tests favor WASP’s anyway… so translating them to Spanish not likely to do much good :-P
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Intelligence is overrated anyway, IMO.Â
To mirror one of Chengora’s points, what good is it for the genius who can compose entire symphonies in his head, but is unable to balance his checkbook? Which skill really indicates the more intelligent individual?
Another point from personal experience, when I was in college I also saw many brilliant students flunk out, or otherwise do poorly, not because they could not understand the material, but simply because they did not have the discipline to do the studying, the homework required, or even go to class. Certainly they were disadvantaged on the tests, having missed the lectures where the professor would say "this will be on the test." And missing the pop quizes because they were not in class didn’t help them either. Intelligence is useless without discipline and hard work.
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Savants. they are prodigious talents in one area of endeavor, but fail in all others.
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I took an IQ test in HS and got a 128, took one a year ago and got 128. I think the real focus with these tests is problem solving, there could be some bias, but a large part of the test is dots and colors as to “what comes next”, or number sequences which I think makes it fair.
The poster who commented on how effort is more important is right. In HS I was pretty much a C student, because I did not have to work to pull Cs. A good example is my senior year human anatomy class, I did little work, but the guy next to me would do his homework (meaning he would ask me what the answers were while I was screwing around doing something else). I got a C in the class, off of my knowledge he got an A. Needless to say I had a lot of growing up to do.
“Catcher in the Rye” changed my life. The chapter with Mr Antolini and his speech motivated me to go out and find that “knowledge I would find so precious”.
IMO the main reason for attaining knowledge should be to gain wisdom. I think from a problem solving perspective a higher IQ test rating may help with that. Education is nice, but most academic stuff is more concerned with knowing… rather than understanding.
A vice of mine is WW2 history, as it is with a lot of us on this board. We have all gotten into hair splitting over the subject (pick your sub-topic). What we do when we are arguing is academic bull IMO (and I am just as guilty as all of you). Wisdom is rarely the goal of our arguments, it is to prove a point, whatever that point may be. I think that is the goal of most higher education, to know is important, to understand is secondary.
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I HATED Catcher in the Rye. HATED it. HATED HATED HATED HATED HATED it. AWFUL BOOK.
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Not a Catcher fan myself. I’m still lazy as hell, but this time I’m getting A’s in college :)
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“Catcher in the Rye” changed my life.
Rather “Catcher in the Rye’s” cliff notes changed my grade in jr. high school english.
Nietzsches’ Zarathustra changed the world for me as well as Schopenhauer’s “The World As Will and Representation”
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If we are talking “life changing” reads, then I would have to float Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
Not that what she wrote was different from what I already believed, but that it made what I believe gel into a more cohesive entity and allowed me to see some of the extrapolations of what the future could yield in the quasi-state-controlled-free-market we currently have in the US.
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If we are talking “life changing” reads, then I would have to float Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
yep ill second that on my second tier of books…
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@Imperious:
“Catcher in the Rye” changed my life.Â
Rather “Catcher in the Rye’s” cliff notes changed my grade in jr. high school english.Â
Nietzsches’Â Zarathustra changed the world for me as well as Schopenhauer’s “The World As Will and Representation”
I liked “Thus spoke Zarathustra”. My favorite part of that is “beware the so called sagely man who limps into the light, for he has learned too quickly, and the good things not at all”. (rough quote)
Catcher got me started reading more than “Dragonlance” books. My favorite book is “Franny and Zooey”, hence my name.
Although there is something to be said about Dragonlance. There was one part at the end of the first book I really liked.
“So what you are saying is that there is no hope?”
“Hope is like the carrot dangled in front of the Donkey to urge it to go further”.
Disgusted “So you think we should just give up!?”
“No, I say remove the carrot and walk forward of your own will”.
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Zooey, I’m a huge fan of dragonlance. I used to collect the books. At one point I had read 93 dragonlance books, before I stopped.
Dragons of the Autumn Twilight… one of the best books that I’ve ever read.
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I HATED Catcher in the Rye. HATED it. HATED HATED HATED HATED HATED it. AWFUL BOOK.
LOL! I love this post. Keep em coming.
I went through the other posts - did anybody mention a possible IQ/standard of living (based off the average income) relation? I would have thought, but I didn’t see…
Anyway, I’d say that’s one thing, you’ve got A LOT of money in the NE, and services tend to follow the money (i.e. expensive tutors, all the books and equipment needed, private schools, etc.).
Besides that, I also doubt the IQ tests, but I think they give a vague representation. It’s possible that over a larger sample that the anomalies wash themselves out. Maybe not. Even then, like Yanny & Baker said, I’ve seen “geniuses” that couldn’t do such-and-such basic thing to survive. My boss is a math & organizational wiz, can analyze anything to the nth degree, has a near photographic memory, but is so socially awkward it’s not funny.Anyway, I think people have their own view of the world/environment. It’s all on your own terms (for instance, I hate calendars that represent the seasons linearly - I picture them as a circle). Maybe you can’t memorize the quadratic equation and have no love for Euclidean geometry, but you can look at someone for the first time, go home and paint a masterpiece of their face from your memory. Life is about the experience and finding your interests. And then, when you come to some place that’s unfamiliar, go with what you know - translate your situation into terms you know, and there you go. Blah blah blah…
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I think stupid people voted for both Kerry and Bush, just like I think smart people voted for both. I don’t think many people voted on either candidate because they thought one was more intelligent than the other. The two had very different platforms. This election had to do with which platform you agreed with. Moral and Ethical questions played more of a part than “I think <insert candidate=”" name=“”>is a genius." Abortion, War, Religion, etc. policies can be argued intelligently from sides of the political spectrum. This is in a major problem in my opinion. If you had more than just two political party heavy-weights you might be able to vote your conscious AND at the same time for a person whom you thought might be better able to carry out specific policy stances.</insert>
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