13L G40 wheatbeer (Axis) vs hobo (Allies +12) take 2

[wheatbeer]

Yeah, that battle in SZ95 was a crushing against odds defeat that trashes my plan. The US being able to NCM unload in NITA was not expected.

[hobo]

well the plan wasnt for italy although now that’s in play.  didn’t matter if I won z95 or not since all those ships would have been dead regardless and that was the point to prevent blockers.

even if I couldn’t hold n italy I still could have heavily threaten italy with 11 on the usa attack plus 16 on the following uk attack so you would have had to defend it fairly well.

plus a move out of france to take back n italy would have given me another out on the paris vc if it came to that…

[wheatbeer]

this may take some mulling

[wheatbeer]

I could probably hold Rome by strafing Northern Italy for one round with all possible German forces (including Denmark mech).

However, since the Americans can build an airbase in Northern Italy and boost the UK air range, I see no way to hold both Cairo and Rome.

The Axis surrender.

Thanks for a fun and challenging match, I hope you’re up for a rematch for next season  :-)

[hobo]

yeah I think I would have eventually been able to grind out the win unless you finished off russia without much losses…

my aim was for egypt but losing rome might have been worse if you tried to hold egypt.  if egypt fell I don’t think you ever could have taken it back and hence any vc win would have been impossible.

I know it’s tough since you had to divert everything to threaten finishing off russia, but once us/uk lands, normally I try to grind out 20 land units each turn over there.

this game was pretty close and one of the most epic games I’ve played in a while(usually my games go lopsided one way or the other).  thanks.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 airfield, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 4 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Tunisia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Libya from Italians to Americans
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Libya: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 battleship, 3 cruisers and 5 destroyers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 armour, 4 artilleries, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 armour moved from Buryatia to Manchuria
            2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
                  Americans take Northern Italy from Italians
            2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 95 Sea Zone
            Battle in 81 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 3 cruisers and 5 destroyers
                Italians defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 battleship, 3 cruisers and 5 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                Americans win with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 bombers, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber; Germans defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 fighter
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 39
                Casualties for Japanese: 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine and 1 transport
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers and 1 fighter
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in Western Germany
                Americans converts factory_major into different units
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Norway
            Battle in Manchuria
                Americans attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 6 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 10 infantry
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans and 2 armour owned by the Americans retreated to Amur
                Japanese win, taking Western Germany from Germans, taking Borneo from Japanese, taking Norway from Germans with 3 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 10 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 4 artilleries and 8 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 artilleries moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Volgograd
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Szechwan to Volgograd
            1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 79 Sea Zone to West India
            1 artillery moved from 79 Sea Zone to West India
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Volgograd
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 carrier and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 79 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 submarine moved from 102 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            3 infantry placed in Southern France
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Korea
            3 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Eastern United States
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 84 PUs; end with 84 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 89 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 94 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 99 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 109 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 95 Sea Zone: 3 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 92 Sea Zone: 3 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Northern Italy: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Algeria: 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Northern Italy: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Southern France: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 95 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Italians owned units to: battleship = 1
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Southern Italy: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Southern Italy: 3 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Southern France: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Northern Italy: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
            Chinese buy 2 artilleries and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            4 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Manchuria
                Chinese attack with 4 artilleries and 9 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 artilleries and 1 factory_minor
                Chinese win, taking Manchuria from Japanese with 4 artilleries and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 3 artilleries
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Trigger Chinese Destroy Factories Manchuria Chinese: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Chinese in Manchuria

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe

Place Units - Chinese
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 29 PUs

[hobo]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Combat Move - British
            5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia

[hobo]

ok gave you higher end of 4 fighters knowing your luck  :lol:

scramble orders for italy

[hobo]

actually slight change to uk’s builds.  take out 1 infantry and add 1 artillery, so 3 ipcs left instead of four.  I will edit later.

[wheatbeer]

@hobo:

ok gave you higher end of 4 fighters knowing your luck  :lol:

What calculator are you using? Inputting the proper OOL in dskelly (Allies EDCFOB / Axis SEOCFP) does not return that result.

4 is the lower end of average unless dskelly is wrong.

@hobo:

scramble orders for italy

no scramble

[hobo]

I use my own methods when calculating leftovers and not win %.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 5 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia

Combat - British
            Battle in Persia
                British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                1 artillery owned by the British retreated to Eastern Persia
                Japanese win with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship
                British win with 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber, 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 81 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            2 artilleries moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 6 infantry, 2 tactical_bombers and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan

Place Units - British
            1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
            3 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 36 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 18 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
            Objective UK Pacific 2 Kwangtung And Malaya: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 26 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Normandy Bordeaux: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Normandy Bordeaux: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Changing PUs for British from 36 to 35
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[wheatbeer]

I’m not sure what how I would use the win % since that says nothing about survivors.

I am using the graph which displays the probability of each outcome ranging from no casualties to complete annihilation (can be displayed as a pie or bar graph … pie’s easier to read for me).

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Tambov to Caucasus
                  Italians take Caucasus from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
                  Italians take Northwest Persia from Russians
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Western Germany

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Western Germany
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber
                Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Western Germany, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Western Germany
                Italians win, taking Western Germany from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Egypt
            4 fighters moved from France to Egypt
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 19 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 51 / 107
    Russians : 16 / 0
    Japanese : 13 / 10
    Americans : 79 / 109
    Chinese : 23 / 29
    British : 31 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 18 / 26
    Italians : 15 / 19
    ANZAC : 14 / 24
    French : 5 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Hainan to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Formosa

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Formosa

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to 45 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from New South Wales to Shan State
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 fighter moved from 38 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Szechwan to Volgograd
            1 fighter moved from Western Australia to 38 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            3 transports placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 15 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 9

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt

Combat - French
            Battle in Egypt
                French attack with 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 3 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Germans defend with 1 artillery; Italians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 5 fighters, 1 harbour, 13 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Italians win with 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 bombers, 6 fighters, 13 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

[JDOW]

@wheatbeer:

I’m not sure what how I would use the win % since that says nothing about survivors.

I am using the graph which displays the probability of each outcome ranging from no casualties to complete annihilation (can be displayed as a pie or bar graph … pie’s easier to read for me).

Can you explain how you get these charts? Is this a function of the battle calculator in tripleA?
Cheers!

[wheatbeer]

JDOW,
If you have any questions the following doesn’t address, shoot me a PM.

1. Go to http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html
2. Switch the rule set box at the top from 50th Anniversary Rules to 1940 A3 Rules (combat values identical to Rev 2)
3. Select the correct Battle Type (land, sea, amphibious assault)
4. Type the number of each unit present, you can leave blank for zero
5. Above the units types is row labelled Order of Loss. The bolded letter within each unit type is the code you need to enter (for example: e = carrier). Left to right equals first to last.
6. Click Run Sim in the bottom left (this will give you some basic win % and IPC info)
7. For expected casualties, click the Pie button after you click Run Sim. This will show the probability of each outcome (i.e. the % chance to survive with so many of each unit type), 1 graph for attackers and 1 graph for defenders.

Notes:
If you leave OOL blank dskelly will pick a default OOL. Their default OOL for sea battles is not the same as max defense or max offense, so in most cases where major fleets collide, I recommend manually entering OOL.
I believe that dskelly automatically damages capitol ships first no matter what OOL you enter, so the OOL for capitol ships simply tells the program at what point you would like them to sink.
If you check the must take territory box, it will assume that you save your last land unit as your last casualty.
These values are only accurate for battles fought to the death.

[wheatbeer]

I lost 16 more planes than I expected, and survived with a single tank in Stalingrad (curious what your system estimates?)

Need OOL for NITA, German strafe going poor as well at 2 opening hits :lol: