League13 G40 Arathorn (Axis) vs Wheatbeer (Allies +16) Game 1

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 fighters moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Caucasus
            2 armour and 15 infantry moved from Chahar to Buyant-Uhaa

Combat - Russians
            Russians creates battle in territory 125 Sea Zone
            Battle in Buyant-Uhaa
                Russians attack with 2 armour and 15 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour and 15 infantry in Buyant-Uhaa, round 2 :  1/17 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Buyant-Uhaa, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Buyant-Uhaa
                Russians win, taking Buyant-Uhaa from Japanese with 2 armour and 15 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 4 :  2/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk
                Russians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Caucasus
                Russians attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caucasus, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Caucasus, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Caucasus
                Russians win, taking Caucasus from Italians with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - Russians
            16 artilleries moved from Russia to Tambov
            2 aaGuns moved from Chahar to Buyant-Uhaa
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 aaGun and 9 infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd
            2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
            1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 16 infantry moved from Rostov to Tambov
            1 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Volgograd

Place Units - Russians
            10 infantry placed in Russia
            1 infantry placed in Volgograd

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 46 / 64
    Russians : 22 / 25
    Japanese : 49 / 67
    Americans : 59 / 77
    Chinese : 9 / 17
    British : 25 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 10 / 12
    Italians : 27 / 48
    ANZAC : 14 / 26
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[arathorn]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 unit repaired.
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                  Japanese take 43 Sea Zone from Americans
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                  Japanese take Yenisey from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

[arathorn]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 unit repaired.
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                  Japanese take 43 Sea Zone from Americans
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                  Japanese take Yenisey from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Amur
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
            1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Air Battle in India
                Japanese attacks with 2 units heading to India
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in India
                Bombing raid in India rolls: 6,6 and causes: 12 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in India causes 12 damage total.
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer; Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 7 infantry and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            3 destroyers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            4 artilleries moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from India to French Indo China
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kwangtung
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total

[arathorn]

Bump

You there? Have you forgotten about me?

[wheatbeer]

Sorry for the slow play. I am wracking my brain to see how I can achieve anything more than a slow demise.

Would it be unsporting to surrender at this stage? Or do you want to see how it plays out.

Russia and European Britain aren’t even capable of defending their remaining territory beyond their capitols. Japan is under some pressure, but far from contained.

Even if I go full bore Atlantic with the USA, by the time I build a fleet capable of surviving the German airforce, Russia will be shrunk to Moscow.

[arathorn]

@wheatbeer:

Sorry for the slow play. I am wracking my brain to see how I can achieve anything more than a slow demise.

Would it be unsporting to surrender at this stage? Or do you want to see how it plays out.

Russia and European Britain aren’t even capable of defending their remaining territory beyond their capitols. Japan is under some pressure, but far from contained.

Even if I go full bore Atlantic with the USA, by the time I build a fleet capable of surviving the German airforce, Russia will be shrunk to Moscow.

No problem!

I would not count it as unsporting to surrender. Your assessment of the situation is the same as mine.

If you want to end the game here, I will accept your sword, and we could start game 2.

[arathorn]

@arathorn:

…. we could start game 2.

That is if you want to start game 2 for this league. If you’d rather wait till next year’s league, that is fine with me also.

:)

[wheatbeer]

Alright, I surrender.

I can see a few things I’d do differently, but I really don’t want to play as Allies again against you (right now) nor offer such high bids.

If you want to switch sides with this same bid amount (+16 with a 1 unit per tt limit), then I’ll play a rematch as Axis.

[JDOW]

Hey guys, sorry to just appear here but I had at the game at an earlier stage and was happy to seen an update but surrendering at this stage really surprised me.

I am not even close to the experience you guys have but I would not assess the situation as hopeless for the Allies.

• Russia has a huge army, it takes some time to threaten them
• Japan has a lot of pressure (Money islands gone plus severe losses of territory on the Chinese mainland will follow
• Russia has a nice army in the east having the potential to reclaim Russian territories
• Monster Italy is nice on the one hand, but for a finishing move one would imo rather take 10 IT IPC and hand them over to the Germans^^

So I’d say if the Allies manage to get the Japanese empire down Moscow could hold forever, couldn’t it? Also in terms of income the Axis have not equalized yet.

I don’t want to say the Axis aren’t in a very good shape, but I would not consider the Allies situation as hopeless. Maybe boldfresh would assess the situation by even expecting the resignation of the Axis ASAP  :lol:

One question about the bid. Was the +16 agreed to be only used in Russia? I see some merits of a strong Russia but so far I thought an bids are placed best where having an immediate impact or a significant strategic impact in future stages (e.g. Inf New Guinea)

So aren’t things like:
Fighter Scotland, sub sz98
or Arty Sudan, Inf Kenia, Sub sz98, Inf New Guinea
a bit more “demanding” to the Axis?
Or if supporting Russia, give them the bomber and add an Arty in Sudan or Sze or so?

Cheers,
Tobias

[arathorn]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

Hey guys, sorry to just appear here but I had at the game at an earlier stage and was happy to seen an update but surrendering at this stage really surprised me.

I am not even close to the experience you guys have but I would not assess the situation as hopeless for the Allies.

• Russia has a huge army, it takes some time to threaten them
• Japan has a lot of pressure (Money islands gone plus severe losses of territory on the Chinese mainland will follow
• Russia has a nice army in the east having the potential to reclaim Russian territories
• Monster Italy is nice on the one hand, but for a finishing move one would imo rather take 10 IT IPC and hand them over to the Germans^^

So I’d say if the Allies manage to get the Japanese empire down Moscow could hold forever, couldn’t it? Also in terms of income the Axis have not equalized yet.

I don’t want to say the Axis aren’t in a very good shape, but I would not consider the Allies situation as hopeless. Maybe boldfresh would assess the situation by even expecting the resignation of the Axis ASAP  :lol:

One question about the bid. Was the +16 agreed to be only used in Russia? I see some merits of a strong Russia but so far I thought an bids are placed best where having an immediate impact or a significant strategic impact in future stages (e.g. Inf New Guinea)

So aren’t things like:
Fighter Scotland, sub sz98
or Arty Sudan, Inf Kenia, Sub sz98, Inf New Guinea
a bit more “demanding” to the Axis?
Or if supporting Russia, give them the bomber and add an Arty in Sudan or Sze or so?

Cheers,
Tobias

Hi Tobias,

First off, he was free to use the bid where he wanted to, the only restriction was max 1 unit per territory.
You would have to ask Wheatbeer what his reasoning was to place his bid there.

The situation in Europe was not good at all - no pressure on Italy and Germany from the West, and it would be a matter of time before Russian income would be reduced to very little.

Japan was doing ok and was healthy, because though the Allies have more forces, they can’t attack collectively, only defend, thus they don’t provide enough pressure against Japan.

If this game had played out, Axis would great out produce the Allies in a turn or two. Africa is about to completely fall, and the swing of IPC is always twice the gain for the capturing side.

Remember, +2 for Axis is also -2 for Allies, so that is an IPC swing of 4.

If Axis go up 10, allies go down 10, which gives a swing of 20. Russia was forced to retreat, since the forces being split up can’t withstand alone, thus they need to gather it, which means that the siege of Russia is only 2 turns away. In objectives alone, European Axis would get 40 extra IPC per round within two turns.

And the USA can’t provide enough pressure to stop that even if they went all Europe.

The positioning was strongly favouring the Axis. It was only a matter of time at this point.

Hope that helps.

Alex

[arathorn]

@wheatbeer:

Alright, I surrender.

I can see a few things I’d do differently, but I really don’t want to play as Allies again against you (right now) nor offer such high bids.

If you want to switch sides with this same bid amount (+16 with a 1 unit per tt limit), then I’ll play a rematch as Axis.

Then we should perhaps wait until you’re ready to play the Allies, because I’ll bid you up ;)
I prefer to play the Axis ;)

[JDOW]

For +16 I would btw be interested to play the Allies vs you Arathorn. I guess gamerman can give you reference of me being at least tier 2 which would allow you to climb the leaderboard by defeating me. Please let me know if you are interested.

[JDOW]

To clarify: I saw some discussions about Tier 1 players like you having a disadvantage by playing Tier3 or 4 because you could drop in ranking despite a win, that’s what I thought I mention that.

[arathorn]

I know some worry about it, but I don’t mind playing those that want to play me. I know it can hurt my ranking, but everybody deserves a shot. :)

We can play, but I would like to start bidding over. The reason why I was willing to give such a high bid to Wheatbeer was because we’re both Axis experts :)

[wheatbeer]

JapanDOWRound1Fan,

No worries about commenting, I follow other people’s games too.

On paper, I don’t look so bad … But I can’t project power where I need to, as fast as I need to. Germany will be pumping troops on all sides of Moscow (soon from Volgograd as well, since I can’t split forces much longer to guard the south).

Germany will have basically uncontested control of 7 VCs in a couple turns. If they can’t crack Moscow, they can use their massive income and fleet to crush London (which will actually be easier than Moscow after Italy overruns Africa).

[wheatbeer]

Sidenote:

Arathorn could be threatening London almost immediately if he had landed some planes on Gibraltar to stop American liberation.

As it sits, my best Atlantic move would be to liberate Gib. with the US then build an airbase there with the UK and land the UK fighters there (preventing an Italian recapture).

That would keep Germany’s fleet stuck in the Mediterranean for a little while, but ultimately, that would be a futile gesture.

[wheatbeer]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

I see some merits of a strong Russia but so far I thought an bids are placed best where having an immediate impact or a significant strategic impact in future stages (e.g. Inf New Guinea)

Generals always prepare to fight to last war.

I believe I chose this bid after facing a G1 Barbarossa and I wanted to have men ready to counterattack Eastern Poland if I faced the same situation.

Since I won that game and lost this one, I won’t defend my bid  :lol: