L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV


  • @artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

    @artofwar1947

    Scramble fighter from CV in SZ 108 to defend N-B?

    Scramble fighters to defend Austria?

    Scramble fighters to defend Yugo? Note: Going to send 1 more (a fourth) Italian fighter from Egypt to Yugo.

    4th fig to Yugo noted. No scrambles anywhere.


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 25

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Research Technology - Germans
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair damage of 4x factory_major; Remaining resources: 30 PUs; 
            Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
            Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
            2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Western Germany
            6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Germany to Poland
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Western Germany
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Western Germany, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Germany
                Germans win, taking Western Germany from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 artillery
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Russians with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery
            Battle in Poland
                Germans attack with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Poland
                Germans win, taking Poland from Russians with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Germany
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            8 infantry placed in Germany
            2 infantry placed in France
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Egypt: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Germany: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : -1.00
    Germans regular : 1.33
    

    Savegame


  • Definitely an overwhelming position in Austria, so must be correct to attack. And it was extremely successful. Must be within the <0,1 % range since G even didn’t have to sacrifice any air and even kept 12 tanks.

    /////I agree; the scope of the victory was improbable.

    When I play Axis, especially J has to sacrifice trannies here and there. Haven’t noticed anything suspect there in our game.
    The shift of 2 inf from Berlin to Leningrad seemed logical, so I didn’t think it was a mistake. With 2 less inf R would’ve had positive odds on Leningrad and the attack would’ve come there instead, so I actually didn’t consider that to be a mistake at all, but rather a sacrifice to keep a more valuable objective.
    Also, the 4 air didn’t hit anything else and help grab land around Leningrad.
    Perhaps you were simply unnecessarily annoyed?

    /////There were better ways to defend Leningrad than to give up all future support of the Norway to Baltic Sea corridor than to sacrifice the transport. I was certainly annoyed with my oversight but with reason.


  • @artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

    /////There were better ways to defend Leningrad than to give up all future support of the Norway to Baltic Sea corridor than to sacrifice the transport. I was certainly annoyed with my oversight but with reason.

    Perhaps you could’ve landed more air there without compromising other positions? Didn’t look that closely.

    Anyway, lets say that the tr hadn’t moved, then I likely would’ve asked you about it.


  • TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 25

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 infantry moved from Norway to 128 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
            2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
                  Russians take Greece from Italians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
            2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
    
        Combat - Russians
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame


  • Any scrambles to Holland or WG and/or Yugo?


  • @trulpen

    No scrambles, thanks.


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 25

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.0.0

    Game History

    Round: 25
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to 115 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 infantry moved from Norway to 128 Sea Zone
            3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
            2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
                  Russians take Greece from Italians
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria
            2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Germany
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Austria
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Austria
                Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                Russians win, taking Yugoslavia from Italians with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Western Germany
                Russians attack with 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Germany, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Western Germany, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany
                    Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Germany, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Germany, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Germany
                Russians win, taking Western Germany from Germans with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
                Russians win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Poland
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland
                Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            4 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Northern Belarus
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Eastern Poland
            3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
            3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 128 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Austria to Slovakia Hungary
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 112 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Yunnan
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 43 Sea Zone
    
        Place Units - Russians
            1 battleship and 1 carrier placed in 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Norway
            3 infantry placed in Finland
            3 infantry placed in Leningrad
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Slovakia Hungary
            3 infantry placed in Romania
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 armour and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5,4,2,5,5,6,1,3,4,2,4,1,5,1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4
            Russians collect 70 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 70 PUs
            Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 75 PUs
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 30 PUs; end with 107 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Italians regular : 0,67
    Germans regular : 0,00
    Russians regular : -3,33
    

    Savegame


  • @trulpenplay

    With the US posed to take back Australia and Germany struggling to hold onto its territory, I am seriously considering worth it is worth the time and energy to continue.

    Rematch? You can have the Axis, but another current opponent 666 (Jim Walsh), who thought the Axis should have +15 in PTV, now has concluded they need no bonus. If Axis are in the hands of a capable player, such as yourself, I am inclined to agree with Jim.


  • It looks very dark for Axis, so resigning is not irrational. Japan has not much power left to contest the combined forces of US/Ch/UK/R, and especially the Pac is permanently lost to US/UK-domination.

    Italy is relatively the strongest nation as Germany is on a quick decline. It’s just a matter of time until Russia breaks down the Berlin walls.

    I don’t mind continuing though, if you prefer that.

    In a new game I’d like to play Axis, but with the most recent map and rules. A bidless game is not so interesting, since I’m very sure Axis is at a disadvantage in P2V.

    As a good example I’m playing my friend Pejon88 atm and I agreed upon +4 for Axis. He’s a very competent player. Despite a great opening for J, I’m in serious trouble already by round 6, with primarily G not being able to make significant progress on the eastern front.

    I’d say that something between 6-12 for Axis is decent.


  • @trulpen

    I tremble but would be willing to give the Axis + 6.


  • @artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

    @trulpen

    I tremble but would be willing to give the Axis + 6.

    Ok, we can try that.


  • @trulpen

    Okay, thanks. Here’s to another interesting game. Set it up when you get the chance. I need to look into updating my map. I will post are current game.


  • @artofwar1947 said in L21 #2 ArtofWar1947 (AX+12) vs. Trulpen (AL) PTV:

    I need to look into updating my map.

    In my experience removal of the old map needs to be done manually. The map-files are usually found in the C: user-directory and may simply be deleted. Then install the map in the client from scratch. Won’t work for some reason to update directly in the client.


  • @trulpen

    I may just keep the old map until I finish another PTV game based on the old map. I will keep a picture of new map up on my screen as a reminder of the change.

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