G40 Marsh (Allies +14) vs. StuckTojo (Allies) No VCs

[MarshmallowofWar]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone

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[MarshmallowofWar]

Scramble to sea zone 97?

[StuckTojo]

No, thank you.

[MarshmallowofWar]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 111 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Scotland: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            British buy 1 factory_minor and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Ethiopia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 cruiser and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in Ethiopia
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Ethiopia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Italians, 2 infantry owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 armour and 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 1 transport owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 battleship owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28
                Casualties for British: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in 106 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                Germans defend with 2 submarines
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

Non Combat Move - British
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Ethiopia: 1 infantry
                EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Ethiopia: 1 artillery
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber moved from 106 Sea Zone to New Brunswick Nova Scotia
            2 infantry moved from Scotland to 109 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece
                  British take Greece from Neutral_Allies
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 fighter moved from India to Trans-Jordan
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 artillery moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 infantry moved from Ontario to Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba
            1 armour moved from Quebec to Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba

Place Units - British
            5 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUs
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 18 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0.50
    British : 4.67
    Italians : 0.50

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[MarshmallowofWar]

@StuckTojo:

No, thank you.

Excellent choice, since all but one of my attacking units hit!

[StuckTojo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  Italians take Alexandria from British

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Italians, 1 fighter owned by the Italians, 1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                retreated to 97 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -38
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  0/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  0/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  1/4 hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
                2 fighters owned by the British forced to land in Greece

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 armour moved from Albania to Slovakia Hungary
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Northern Italy: 2 aaGuns
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Yugoslavia: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Southern Italy: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6
            Italians collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs

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[StuckTojo]

Sorry to have to tell you this, dude, but your fighters can’t land in Greece.  As per the rulebook:

“Air units can land in any territory that was friendly (but not friendly neutral) at the start of the current turn.”

You’ll have to figure out if they have enough moves to land somewhere, or unfortunately they’re lost.

[StuckTojo]

Also, I suppose if any of those fighters had no place to land then the initial battle was tainted.  :-P

I only noticed them in Greece by the time I did my non-combat, otherwise I would have said something sooner.

[MarshmallowofWar]

The fighter CAN land in Greece, as I occupied it on my turn and you provided them with the need to land on your turn.

[MarshmallowofWar]

Fighters.

At the start of Italy’s turn, Greece was friendly to the UK (as it was a UK controlled territory). That means that if the carrier is wounded that the fighters can land there.

[MarshmallowofWar]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Java
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            2 aaGuns moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to Java

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales
            1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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[MarshmallowofWar]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France

Combat - French
            Battle in Southern France
                French attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour in Southern France, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Southern France
                    French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour in Southern France, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France
                Germans win with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - French
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa

Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 1.00
    French : -1.00

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[MarshmallowofWar]

If you want to go get a ruling on the fighters in Greece thing that’s fine. If the ruling comes down against me, then we’ll toss the cruiser and leave the fighters in the sea zone, or rerun the battle and I’ll give you an order of loss.

[StuckTojo]

OK, we have a good old fashioned debate on our hands here.   :lol:

How about we take it to the forum.  The quote above states “not friendly neutral” which I cut and pasted right from the rule book (p.22).

Also, p. 10 specifically mentions land units only:  “They can be moved into (but not through) as a noncombat move by land units of a power that is at war (see �Noncombat Move,� page 22)”

That said, I’ve been wrong before, so I’ll submit the question to the forum.

Is that cool with you?

[MarshmallowofWar]

Sure, that’s fine. I think the confusion is on turn vs round. Each round is composed of one turn per power.

[MarshmallowofWar]

Just so we’re clear, the fighters were on the carrier until you put a hit on it. They were forced to land in Greece during Italy’s non-combat phase.

[StuckTojo]

Oh crap!!!

That’s the part I did’t get.

OK. Never mind.  My mistake, then.  Go ahead and go for Germany.

[StuckTojo]

ANZAC, I mean.

[MarshmallowofWar]

I already did.

[MarshmallowofWar]

Oh yeah, and I made my first serious mistake on France’s turn – I should have killed the Italian transport.