13LG40 NT Hobo (Allies+9) vs Seththenewb (Axis)

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

Sorry, accidently hit the space bar one too many times against W. Ukr. Remove the inf and a tac if you aren’t kosher with that edit.

seth, i would agree with hobo regarding a noncom edit vs. changing what was lost in combat if more dice are rolled after the casualty choice was made.  if it were the last casualty choice on the last battle rolled, then a person would be nuts to object to a change in what was lost in the final round.

play on boys!  :-)

[seth4god]

I don’t know if you saw the battle or not. But I had infantry supported by tac/ftr combo against 2 inf. I lost both the inf and he lost one of his. I didn’t want to continue that battle but hit the space bar which rolled the battle. And my fix was to give him back the inf I hit in that last round and the air I lost. I let him know what happened and what I’d done. He wasn’t cool with it which is his prerogative.

But in my mind at that point it ceased to be a friendly game and I let him know that no more edits of any kind would be accepted. I’ve let people reroll battles or give them back a unit or two depending on the circumstances. And I could probably dig through and find half a dozen examples of that in my games, that’s a friendly game. This is no longer a friendly game and the chips will lie where they fall.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

I don’t know if you saw the battle or not. But I had infantry supported by tac/ftr combo against 2 inf. I lost both the inf and he lost one of his. I didn’t want to continue that battle but hit the space bar which rolled the battle. And my fix was to give him back the inf I hit in that last round and the air I lost. I let him know what happened and what I’d done. He wasn’t cool with it which is his prerogative.

But in my mind at that point it ceased to be a friendly game and I let him know that no more edits of any kind would be accepted. I’ve let people reroll battles or give them back a unit or two depending on the circumstances. And I could probably dig through and find half a dozen examples of that in my games, that’s a friendly game. This is no longer a friendly game and the chips will lie where they fall.

oh i see, i thought the issue was that you wanted to lose something different in that battle, not that you wanted to cancel the last round of combat.  hmmmm.  well i don’t think league games esp between tier 1’s will often fall into the friendly game category….  and when they do, it can be bad.  when i play karl, i’m TOO friendly and it almost always results in me losing.  :lol:

[boldfresh]

i think going to the extent of saying no combat edits is going a little too far…  why not just no
edits in noncom if the other player has rolled dice?

i mean, i kinda side with hobo on this one - it could be that it’s not that he doesn’t believe you
but rather that he made a choice that dice rolled are dice rolled and that way you don’t even
have to consider whether you have to believe a person or not.  i do understand what you are saying as well.

but the equalizer would be “well hobo, don’t even think of asking me for an edit on dice you have rolled” - right?

[boldfresh]

i mean, it could be an “unfriendly” game but still reasonable, ya know?  :wink:

course, if you’re a guy who plays better with some firey motivation, then i understand that as well.  :wink:

[seth4god]

Well, I try to be at least cordial and not be a dick about things. I just offered to let Wheatbeer reroll a battle in LL which he accepted and then he returned the graciously returned the favor by offering me a LL reroll. So the game wasn’t ruined by horribly one sided dice, it’s still a competitive game that neither of us wants to lose, and yeah we’re being gentlemanly about it. I’ve given players units back, including air; I’ve let them walkin to terr; I’ve let them kill undefended subs; or manually roll a battle that they forgot about (ie I forgot to kill that sub). Some things are a ‘no’ and others I’m ok with. It just depends on the player, the game, and the circumstance.

But we’re playing this one strict, I given hobo fair warning about it so neither of us can complain in the future about something. There are no edits. It doesn’t matter if dice were rolled, if it’s combat, or if it’s noncombat. It’s just no edits period end of story. You can side with whoever you want, but that’s my decision and it’s final.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

Well, I try to be at least cordial and not be a dick about things. I just offered to let Wheatbeer reroll a battle in LL which he accepted and then he returned the graciously returned the favor by offering me a LL reroll. So the game wasn’t ruined by horribly one sided dice, it’s still a competitive game that neither of us wants to lose, and yeah we’re being gentlemanly about it. I’ve given players units back, including air; I’ve let them walkin to terr; I’ve let them kill undefended subs; or manually roll a battle that they forgot about (ie I forgot to kill that sub). Some things are a ‘no’ and others I’m ok with. It just depends on the player, the game, and the circumstance.

But we’re playing this one strict, I given hobo fair warning about it so neither of us can complain in the future about something. There are no edits. It doesn’t matter if dice were rolled, if it’s combat, or if it’s noncombat. It’s just no edits period end of story. You can side with whoever you want, but that’s my decision and it’s final.

no problem that’s totally cool seth - sorry if i was out of place - i just like to see reason prevail and i’ve only ever had one guy tell me there would be no edits of any kind and that’s cow in our GRUDGE MATCH, in which i DESTROYED him handily.  :-D

looking forward to pasting you in our game…. i think i know what direction i’m going.  :-)

[hobo]

bump

[seth4god]

I finally started working again. So moves will be a little slower now and I’m sorry for any delay. I should get in a move at least every other day now, although I’ll try for a faster move if possible.

[hobo]

no problem and no rush either

[seth4god]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 destroyers, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 3 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Kiangsu
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 armour moved from Amur to Yakut S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
                  Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Amur to Sakha
                  Japanese take Sakha from Russians
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Kiangsu
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Kiangsu
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Shan State
            1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shan State

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Battle in Kiangsu
                Japanese attack with 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 battleships, 3 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Shantung
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
            3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsu to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Shantung
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Amur to Manchuria
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to French Indo China
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to French Indo China

Place Units - Japanese
            2 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Japan
            1 factory_minor placed in Korea
            3 infantry placed in Shantung
            3 infantry placed in French Indo China

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
            Japanese collect 35 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 35 PUs total

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Artillery Supplies: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Open
            Chinese buy 2 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Shantung
            1 artillery moved from Chahar to Jehol
                  Chinese take Jehol from Japanese

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shantung
                Chinese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kiangsu
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kiangsi
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe

Place Units - Chinese
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Jehol

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 24 PUs

[hobo]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Combat Move - British
            2 fighters moved from Finland to 112 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  British take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Southern France
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
            1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
                  UK_Pacific take 37 Sea Zone from Japanese
                  UK_Pacific take 41 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China

[hobo]

scramble orders for z112

[seth4god]

no scramble

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 8 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            2 fighters moved from Finland to 112 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
                  British take Holland Belgium from Germans
            1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Southern France
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
            1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
                  UK_Pacific take 37 Sea Zone from Japanese
                  UK_Pacific take 41 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China

Combat - British
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                British win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Southern France
                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                British win, taking Southern France from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in French Indo China
                British attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 13 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 6 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Japanese win with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -32
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 artilleries, 13 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                1 fighter owned by the British retreated

Non Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 mech_infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 2 fighters moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa
            4 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            5 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 5 infantry

[seth4god]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
                  Italians take Syria from French
            3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

[seth4god]

intercept?

[hobo]

sure, let’s kill that brave bomber, all 3

[seth4god]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria
                  Italians take Syria from French
            3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

Combat - Italians
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Italians attacks with 1 units heading to United Kingdom
                British launches 3 interceptors out of United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                1 bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 0 damage total.
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Battle in Iraq
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                Italians win, taking Iraq from Russians with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Italians win, taking Southern France from British with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt

Place Units - Italians
            3 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            3 infantry placed in Northern Italy
            Italians undo move 2.
            1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 10
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1,1,5,3,6,6,1,4,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
            Italians collect 15 PUs (10 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs