13LG40 NT Hobo (Allies+9) vs Seththenewb (Axis)

[seth4god]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from France to Southern France
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            4 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            4 fighters moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Southern France

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                Italians attack with 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Trans-Jordan
                Italians attack with 4 fighters and 4 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 4 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Southern France from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany
            4 fighters moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

Place Units - Italians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,6,6,2,2,5,6,1
            Italians collect 16 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 fighters moved from 56 Sea Zone to Java
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from South Australia to 61 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from South Australia to 61 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 artillery moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 cruiser moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Java
                ANZAC attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 56 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 56 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
            1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            3 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French
            3 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  French take Libya from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia

Turn Complete - French

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Combat Move - French
            3 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
                  French take Libya from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Persia

Turn Complete - French
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 78 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 41 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[seth4god]

What happened to no more edits?

[seth4god]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Norway
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Rostov
                Germans attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 armour
                Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 armour
            Battle in Tambov
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Norway
                Germans attack with 1 fighter
                Russians defend with 1 aaGun
                Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun
            Battle in Smolensk
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            1 bomber moved from Tambov to Bryansk
            3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to France

Place Units - Germans
            3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in France
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 41 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 78 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

[seth4god]

I already stated we weren’t playing with anymore edits and I let one edit slide afterwards involving your Aussies. But I mean no more edits.

[hobo]

No, that’s fine I’ll just go with it taken back.  It’s no big deal and I guess I’ll just have to spend more time reviewing the powerful french.  But you do see the difference from changing ncm vs taking back dice already rolled… right?

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 fighter and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Archangel
                  Russians take Archangel from Germans
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Smolensk
            2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Tambov

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
            Battle in Smolensk
                Russians attack with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Russia
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Urals
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Urals
            1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            1 fighter and 9 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 34 PUs

[seth4god]

I didn’t really have a reason to go on in that battle. I didn’t need to clear it so something could blitz through or to prevent something from happening. Germany was already low on air due to some aa hits and the channel scrambles.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

Sorry, accidently hit the space bar one too many times against W. Ukr. Remove the inf and a tac if you aren’t kosher with that edit.

seth, i would agree with hobo regarding a noncom edit vs. changing what was lost in combat if more dice are rolled after the casualty choice was made.  if it were the last casualty choice on the last battle rolled, then a person would be nuts to object to a change in what was lost in the final round.

play on boys!  :-)

[seth4god]

I don’t know if you saw the battle or not. But I had infantry supported by tac/ftr combo against 2 inf. I lost both the inf and he lost one of his. I didn’t want to continue that battle but hit the space bar which rolled the battle. And my fix was to give him back the inf I hit in that last round and the air I lost. I let him know what happened and what I’d done. He wasn’t cool with it which is his prerogative.

But in my mind at that point it ceased to be a friendly game and I let him know that no more edits of any kind would be accepted. I’ve let people reroll battles or give them back a unit or two depending on the circumstances. And I could probably dig through and find half a dozen examples of that in my games, that’s a friendly game. This is no longer a friendly game and the chips will lie where they fall.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

I don’t know if you saw the battle or not. But I had infantry supported by tac/ftr combo against 2 inf. I lost both the inf and he lost one of his. I didn’t want to continue that battle but hit the space bar which rolled the battle. And my fix was to give him back the inf I hit in that last round and the air I lost. I let him know what happened and what I’d done. He wasn’t cool with it which is his prerogative.

But in my mind at that point it ceased to be a friendly game and I let him know that no more edits of any kind would be accepted. I’ve let people reroll battles or give them back a unit or two depending on the circumstances. And I could probably dig through and find half a dozen examples of that in my games, that’s a friendly game. This is no longer a friendly game and the chips will lie where they fall.

oh i see, i thought the issue was that you wanted to lose something different in that battle, not that you wanted to cancel the last round of combat.  hmmmm.  well i don’t think league games esp between tier 1’s will often fall into the friendly game category….  and when they do, it can be bad.  when i play karl, i’m TOO friendly and it almost always results in me losing.  :lol:

[boldfresh]

i think going to the extent of saying no combat edits is going a little too far…  why not just no
edits in noncom if the other player has rolled dice?

i mean, i kinda side with hobo on this one - it could be that it’s not that he doesn’t believe you
but rather that he made a choice that dice rolled are dice rolled and that way you don’t even
have to consider whether you have to believe a person or not.  i do understand what you are saying as well.

but the equalizer would be “well hobo, don’t even think of asking me for an edit on dice you have rolled” - right?

[boldfresh]

i mean, it could be an “unfriendly” game but still reasonable, ya know?  :wink:

course, if you’re a guy who plays better with some firey motivation, then i understand that as well.  :wink:

[seth4god]

Well, I try to be at least cordial and not be a dick about things. I just offered to let Wheatbeer reroll a battle in LL which he accepted and then he returned the graciously returned the favor by offering me a LL reroll. So the game wasn’t ruined by horribly one sided dice, it’s still a competitive game that neither of us wants to lose, and yeah we’re being gentlemanly about it. I’ve given players units back, including air; I’ve let them walkin to terr; I’ve let them kill undefended subs; or manually roll a battle that they forgot about (ie I forgot to kill that sub). Some things are a ‘no’ and others I’m ok with. It just depends on the player, the game, and the circumstance.

But we’re playing this one strict, I given hobo fair warning about it so neither of us can complain in the future about something. There are no edits. It doesn’t matter if dice were rolled, if it’s combat, or if it’s noncombat. It’s just no edits period end of story. You can side with whoever you want, but that’s my decision and it’s final.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

Well, I try to be at least cordial and not be a dick about things. I just offered to let Wheatbeer reroll a battle in LL which he accepted and then he returned the graciously returned the favor by offering me a LL reroll. So the game wasn’t ruined by horribly one sided dice, it’s still a competitive game that neither of us wants to lose, and yeah we’re being gentlemanly about it. I’ve given players units back, including air; I’ve let them walkin to terr; I’ve let them kill undefended subs; or manually roll a battle that they forgot about (ie I forgot to kill that sub). Some things are a ‘no’ and others I’m ok with. It just depends on the player, the game, and the circumstance.

But we’re playing this one strict, I given hobo fair warning about it so neither of us can complain in the future about something. There are no edits. It doesn’t matter if dice were rolled, if it’s combat, or if it’s noncombat. It’s just no edits period end of story. You can side with whoever you want, but that’s my decision and it’s final.

no problem that’s totally cool seth - sorry if i was out of place - i just like to see reason prevail and i’ve only ever had one guy tell me there would be no edits of any kind and that’s cow in our GRUDGE MATCH, in which i DESTROYED him handily.  :-D

looking forward to pasting you in our game…. i think i know what direction i’m going.  :-)

[hobo]

bump

[seth4god]

I finally started working again. So moves will be a little slower now and I’m sorry for any delay. I should get in a move at least every other day now, although I’ll try for a faster move if possible.

[hobo]

no problem and no rush either