8-Player Napoleonic Empires Free-For-All

[Noll]

@moilami:

Is someone dying here or what is the problem with slow game  :lol: And my deepest apologies if someone is dying.

I think Make_It_Round could be excellent Germany. As the most successfully aggressive player I know, he could really get those tanks rolling.

For me it is all the same what country I play, though for some reason I like to play Russia in WW2. Still I would prefer to roll a dice for a country rather than chose something.

Why you think 8 people FFA is hard? Hard to find players? In my opinion 5 players is too few players in FFA. 8 is more players and since I don’t care of balance in FFA, I could take the most sucky country and enjoy the game.

I had two ffa8pl games die out of random ppl leaving

[Make_It_Round]

@moilami:

Maybe we should just continue and default to no change in politics since not explicitly agreed on proposals?

If France gets Constantinopolis we only need to decide what we do with the rest of the Ottoman units.

If France does not get Constantinopolis, then we buy max defence stuff for Constantinopolis and see what happen next round?

Or are other people willing to play this game anymore?

I say we move forward with this proposal, and the game should finish up pretty soon one way or another.

I think that we could start recruiting for an 8-player as well, with the caveat that if they don’t make a play in 48 hours from the last post before them, their country’s forces are replaced by neutral pieces… That way the game won’t ‘hang’.

[moilami]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - France
            1 Marines moved from Macedonia to SZ84
            1 Marines moved from SZ84 to Constantinople
            1 Chasseurs moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
                  France take Bulgaria from OttomanEmpire
            2 Mariness moved from Tangiers to SZ54
            1 Dragoons, 4 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines moved from Egypt to Sinai
            2 Mariness moved from SZ54 to Andalusia
            7 Dragoonss moved from Macedonia to Constantinople
            1 Fusiliers moved from Magdeburg to Mecklenburg
                  France take Mecklenburg from Russia

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 3 Cutters, 1 Dragoons, 6 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Marines and 3 Mortella_Towers; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Andalusia
                France attack with 2 Mariness
                UnitedKingdom defend with 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment and 1 Fortress
                UnitedKingdom win with 1 Fortress remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for France: 2 Mariness
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 2 Chasseurss
            Battle in Sinai
                France attack with 1 Dragoons, 4 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines
                Neutral defend with 3 Fusilierss
                France win, taking Sinai from Neutral with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for France: 3 Fusilierss
                Casualties for Neutral: 3 Fusilierss
            Battle in Constantinople
                France attack with 7 Dragoonss and 1 Marines
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Artillery, 1 Capital, 1 Dragoons, 3 Grenadierss, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness
                OttomanEmpire win with 3 Grenadierss and 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is -33
                Casualties for France: 7 Dragoonss and 1 Marines
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons and 1 Howitzer

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss moved from Moravia to Hungary
            4 Fusilierss moved from Hesse to Magdeburg
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss and 2 Howitzers moved from Cologne to Hesse
            1 Marines moved from Orleanais to Auvergne
            1 Marines moved from Auvergne to Languedoc
            1 General moved from Tangiers to SZ54
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ54 to SZ57
            1 Barque moved from SZ57 to SZ64
            1 Marines moved from Languedoc to SZ62
            1 Cutter moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 Corvette, 1 Cutter and 1 Marines moved from SZ62 to SZ56
            1 Fusiliers moved from Brittany to Anjou
            2 Dragoonss moved from Anjou to Champagne
            1 Grenadiers moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            3 Fusilierss moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            3 Fusilierss moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            1 Howitzer moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            2 Fusilierss moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Fusiliers moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Venetia to Slavonia
            3 Fusilierss moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
            3 Artillerys, 1 Fusiliers, 3 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Serbia to Macedonia
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ84 to SZ82
            1 Fusiliers moved from Hungary to Transylvania

Place Units - France
            3 Mortella_Towers placed in Hungary
            2 Cutters placed in SZ63
            1 Cutter placed in SZ86
            1 Dragoons placed in Macedonia
            1 Fusiliers placed in Egypt
            1 Horse_Artillery placed in Egypt
            5 Fusilierss and 1 Marines placed in Orleanais

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 72 PUs; end with 75 PUs total
            Objective France destroys TUV: France met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 79 PUs

[moilami]

@Make_It_Round:

@moilami:

Maybe we should just continue and default to no change in politics since not explicitly agreed on proposals?

If France gets Constantinopolis we only need to decide what we do with the rest of the Ottoman units.

If France does not get Constantinopolis, then we buy max defence stuff for Constantinopolis and see what happen next round?

Or are other people willing to play this game anymore?

I say we move forward with this proposal, and the game should finish up pretty soon one way or another.

I think that we could start recruiting for an 8-player as well, with the caveat that if they don’t make a play in 48 hours from the last post before them, their country’s forces are replaced by neutral pieces… That way the game won’t ‘hang’.

I agree with this, and I agree with every other proposal made.

[moilami]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - France
            1 Marines moved from Macedonia to SZ84
            1 Marines moved from SZ84 to Constantinople
            1 Chasseurs moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
                  France take Bulgaria from OttomanEmpire
            2 Mariness moved from Tangiers to SZ54
            1 Dragoons, 4 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines moved from Egypt to Sinai
            2 Mariness moved from SZ54 to Andalusia
            7 Dragoonss moved from Macedonia to Constantinople
            1 Fusiliers moved from Magdeburg to Mecklenburg
                  France take Mecklenburg from Russia

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 3 Cutters, 1 Dragoons, 6 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Marines and 3 Mortella_Towers; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Andalusia
                France attack with 2 Mariness
                UnitedKingdom defend with 2 Chasseurss, 1 Encampment and 1 Fortress
                UnitedKingdom win with 1 Fortress remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for France: 2 Mariness
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 2 Chasseurss
            Battle in Sinai
                France attack with 1 Dragoons, 4 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines
                Neutral defend with 3 Fusilierss
                France win, taking Sinai from Neutral with 1 Dragoons, 1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for France: 3 Fusilierss
                Casualties for Neutral: 3 Fusilierss
            Battle in Constantinople
                France attack with 7 Dragoonss and 1 Marines
                OttomanEmpire defend with 1 Artillery, 1 Capital, 1 Dragoons, 3 Grenadierss, 1 Howitzer and 2 Mariness
                OttomanEmpire win with 3 Grenadierss and 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is -33
                Casualties for France: 7 Dragoonss and 1 Marines
                Casualties for OttomanEmpire: 1 Artillery, 1 Dragoons and 1 Howitzer

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss moved from Moravia to Hungary
            4 Fusilierss moved from Hesse to Magdeburg
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Dragoons, 3 Fusilierss and 2 Howitzers moved from Cologne to Hesse
            1 Marines moved from Orleanais to Auvergne
            1 Marines moved from Auvergne to Languedoc
            1 General moved from Tangiers to SZ54
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ54 to SZ57
            1 Barque moved from SZ57 to SZ64
            1 Marines moved from Languedoc to SZ62
            1 Cutter moved from SZ56 to SZ54
            1 Corvette, 1 Cutter and 1 Marines moved from SZ62 to SZ56
            1 Fusiliers moved from Brittany to Anjou
            2 Dragoonss moved from Anjou to Champagne
            1 Grenadiers moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            3 Fusilierss moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            3 Fusilierss moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            1 Howitzer moved from Anjou to Orleanais
            2 Fusilierss moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Fusiliers moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Venetia to Slavonia
            3 Fusilierss moved from Serbia to Bulgaria
            3 Artillerys, 1 Fusiliers, 3 Grenadierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Serbia to Macedonia
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ84 to SZ82
            1 Fusiliers moved from Hungary to Transylvania

Place Units - France
            3 Mortella_Towers placed in Hungary
            2 Cutters placed in SZ63
            1 Cutter placed in SZ86
            1 Dragoons placed in Macedonia
            1 Fusiliers placed in Egypt
            1 Horse_Artillery placed in Egypt
            5 Fusilierss and 1 Marines placed in Orleanais

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 72 PUs; end with 75 PUs total
            Objective France destroys TUV: France met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 79 PUs

[moilami]

Lol, found a terrible bug accidentally.

I changed my mind with after combat move in Serbia. I DLed the save I posted, edited the changes, and then reposted the save. Now, those edits I made does not show in any logs! Meaning people could easily try to cheat without anyone noticing it.

The procedure is as follows:

1. Make all your moves but don’t post them to the forum.
2. Save the game to your computer.
3. Load the game you just saved to your computer.
4. Edit whatever you want.
5. Post the save you edited to the forum.

And no edits will be shown on logs.

[Degrasse]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            2 Brigantines, 1 Corvette and 4 Cutters moved from SZ49 to SZ53
            1 Corvette and 2 Frigates moved from SZ47 to SZ53
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Alemtejo to SZ47
            3 Chasseurss, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 2 Howitzers, 8 Mariness and 1 Mortars moved from Alemtejo to SZ47
            8 Barques, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 2 Howitzers, 6 Mariness and 1 Mortars moved from SZ47 to SZ53
            2 Barques, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness moved from SZ47 to SZ53
            1 Cuirassiers, 1 Fusiliers, 2 Howitzers, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars moved from SZ53 to Andalusia
            2 Cutters and 2 Frigates moved from SZ41 to SZ47
            1 Marines moved from Ulster to SZ24
            1 Battleship and 1 Marines moved from SZ24 to SZ16
            1 General moved from Essex to Yorkshire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Yorkshire to Essex
            1 Fusiliers moved from Essex to Sussex
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ53 to Tangiers
                  UnitedKingdom take Tangiers from France
            1 Fusiliers, 1 Grenadiers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ53 to Andalusia
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ53 to Tangiers
            1 Marines moved from SZ53 to Andalusia
            1 Chasseurs moved from SZ53 to Andalusia
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ34 to SZ36
            1 Corvette moved from SZ34 to SZ42
            1 Battleship moved from SZ34 to SZ35
            1 Corvette moved from SZ29 to SZ26
            1 Corvette moved from SZ29 to SZ12
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ29 to SZ27
            1 Marines moved from SZ16 to Highland

Purchase Units - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom buy 2 Barques, 2 Corvettes, 1 Encampment, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Marines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - UnitedKingdom

Non Combat Move - UnitedKingdom
            1 Fusiliers moved from Scotland to Cumbria

Place Units - UnitedKingdom
            1 Encampment, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Marines placed in Alemtejo
            2 Corvettes placed in SZ53
            2 Barques placed in SZ29

Turn Complete - UnitedKingdom
            UnitedKingdom collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs total

Territory Summary for UnitedKingdom :

Cumbria : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    SZ35 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship
    SZ28 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Tangiers : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Mariness
    SZ47 : 1 flag, 2 Barques, 2 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    SZ29 : 1 flag, 2 Barques
    Sussex : 1 flag, 1 Fortress and 2 Fusilierss
    Alemtejo : 1 flag, 1 Encampment, 1 General, 1 Grenadiers and 1 Marines
    SZ34 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    SZ12 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Majorca : 1 flag, 3 Chasseurss and 4 Fortresss
    SZ26 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    SZ27 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    SZ42 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Munster : 1 flag
    SZ50 : 1 flag
    Highland : 1 flag, 1 Marines
    SZ38 : 1 flag
    Essex : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Capital, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Marines and 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ36 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    Connaught : 1 flag
    South Wales : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ19 : 1 flag, 1 Corvette
    Galacia : 1 flag
    Yorkshire : 1 flag, 1 General
    Leinster : 1 flag
    Andalusia : 1 flag, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Encampment, 1 Fortress, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 2 Howitzers, 6 Mariness and 1 Mortars
    SZ53 : 1 flag, 10 Barques, 2 Brigantines, 4 Corvettes, 5 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    SZ16 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship
    Candia : 1 flag, 3 Chasseurss, 3 Fortresss and 3 Mariness
    Ulster : 1 flag, 1 Encampment

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 70 / 79
    UnitedKingdom : 56 / 56
    AustrianEmpire : 51 / 72
    OttomanEmpire : 38 / 44
    Russia : 73 / 79

[Make_It_Round]

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[Make_It_Round]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - AustrianEmpire
            1 Corvette moved from SZ72 to SZ73
            1 Cutter moved from SZ5 to SZ4
            1 Frigate moved from SZ5 to SZ4
            1 Barque moved from SZ5 to SZ4
            1 Fusiliers moved from Magdeburg to Brandenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Saxony to Brandenburg
            2 Dragoonss moved from Bohemia to Brandenburg
            2 Hussarss moved from Bohemia to Brandenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Bohemia to Saxony
            7 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons and 1 Grenadiers moved from Moravia to Austria
            1 Fusiliers moved from Zala to Moravia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Zala to Slavonia
            2 Fusilierss moved from Croatia to Bosnia
            2 Fusilierss moved from Slovenia to Austria
            4 Fusilierss moved from Eturia to Lombardi
            1 General moved from Bohemia to Salzburg

Purchase Units - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire buy 18 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - AustrianEmpire
            Battle in SZ4
                AustrianEmpire attack with 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
                Russia defend with 1 Cutter
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate in SZ4, round 1 :  2/2 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 1 Cutter in SZ4, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Cutter owned by the Russia lost in SZ4
                AustrianEmpire win with 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Cutter
            Battle in Brandenburg
                AustrianEmpire attack with 2 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Hussarss
                Russia defend with 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 2 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Hussarss in Brandenburg, round 1 :  1/6 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer in Brandenburg, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    1 Howitzer owned by the Russia lost in Brandenburg
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 2 Dragoonss, 2 Fusilierss and 2 Hussarss in Brandenburg, round 2 :  1/6 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 3 Fusilierss in Brandenburg, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 Hussarss owned by the AustrianEmpire and 1 Fusiliers owned by the Russia lost in Brandenburg
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 2 Dragoonss and 2 Fusilierss in Brandenburg, round 3 :  1/4 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 2 Fusilierss in Brandenburg, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Russia and 1 Fusiliers owned by the AustrianEmpire lost in Brandenburg
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 2 Dragoonss and 1 Fusiliers in Brandenburg, round 4 :  0/3 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Brandenburg, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the AustrianEmpire lost in Brandenburg
                    AustrianEmpire roll dice for 2 Dragoonss in Brandenburg, round 5 :  1/2 hits
                    Russia roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Brandenburg, round 5 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Russia lost in Brandenburg
                AustrianEmpire win, taking Brandenburg from Russia with 2 Dragoonss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 2 Fusilierss and 2 Hussarss
                Casualties for Russia: 3 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer

Non Combat Move - AustrianEmpire

Place Units - AustrianEmpire
            7 Fusilierss placed in Austria
            2 Fusilierss placed in Salzburg
            2 Fusilierss placed in Zala
            2 Fusilierss placed in Slovenia
            2 Fusilierss placed in Croatia
            3 Fusilierss placed in Rome

Turn Complete - AustrianEmpire
            AustrianEmpire collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective AustrianEmpire destroys TUV: AustrianEmpire met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 58 PUs

[Make_It_Round]

I have taken back Berlin. The French, as my Allies, cannot take it from me. Thus, the Russians–if their intentions are as pure as they claim they are–should back off, as the French cannot win.

Russia is attempting to pressure us into war with the French. This will not happen; the French have always been our faithful and staunch allies, in a sea of traitors and opportunists. The Ottomans and Russians would do well to accept my call for a ceasefire, and to find other ways to give expression to their foreign policies than to rape and murder on Austrian soil.

[moilami]

The Republic is willing to negotiate of a cease fire with the Ottoman Empire with the following terms:

1. Ottomans Declare immediatly a war to Russia.
2. Ottomans open borders with the Republic, so that the Republic can sail to the Black Sea and destroy Russian navy hiding in there.

The Republic is looking forward to fruitful co-operation with Ottomans in military operations against treacherous cossacks.

[Noll]

@moilami:

Lol, found a terrible bug accidentally.

I changed my mind with after combat move in Serbia. I DLed the save I posted, edited the changes, and then reposted the save. Now, those edits I made does not show in any logs! Meaning people could easily try to cheat without anyone noticing it.

The procedure is as follows:

1. Make all your moves but don’t post them to the forum.
2. Save the game to your computer.
3. Load the game you just saved to your computer.
4. Edit whatever you want.
5. Post the save you edited to the forum.

And no edits will be shown on logs.

They will still show in history tho

[pr0c3ss]

Being in no position to negotiate, the Ottomans will do as requested…
Ottomans Declare immediately a war to Russia.
Ottomans open borders with the Republic, so that the Republic can sail to the Black Sea and destroy Russian navy hiding in there.

:|

[Noll]

Guys you cant go from war to open borders

[pr0c3ss]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Basrah to Mesopotamia
            1 Marines moved from Basrah to Baghdad
            1 Mortars moved from Basrah to Baghdad
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Georgia to Edessa
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Georgia to Edessa
            2 Fusilierss moved from Georgia to Armenia
            2 Grenadierss moved from Georgia to Armenia

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 11 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            7 Fusilierss placed in Constantinople
            2 Fusilierss placed in Syria
            2 Fusilierss placed in Armenia

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs total

[Noll]

Process please build very defensively (like fortress). Even if they’re trying to force you vs me I’ll still come to the resque.

[moilami]

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

[Noll]

@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

[Noll]

Austria: I will give Berlin back when you stop the open border with France. Otherwise he can stage his troops there.

[moilami]

@Noll:

@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

Why should England care of central/western europe, when they can go to Sweden, Africa, and Spain? The only reason for them to care of Europe is to make sure France can’t expand anywhere, that is harass France and expand in power all the time while doing it. The only way to hold England is to give France a chance to hold England, and if the ways to end game are defined like that, there is not much point in playing this map.

This game I of course will finish, but I am definelty not interested of FFA5 anymore. The map is broken in my very harsh opinion.