L12 wheatbeer (axis) vs U-505 (allies +6) tiebreaker match

[U-505]

Standard OOL.

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :11

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 fighter moved from France to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to 112 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
                  Italians take Rostov from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
                  Italians take Caucasus from Russians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Alexandria
                  Italians take Alexandria from British
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Egypt

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 destroyer
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Denmark
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Denmark, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Denmark, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Denmark
                Italians win, taking Denmark from British with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                Italians win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 5 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 5 transports; Americans defend with 1 transport
                    Italians roll dice for 5 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 112 Sea Zone, round 1 :  5/9 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 6 transports in 112 Sea Zone, round 1 :  3/6 hits
                    2 fighters owned by the Italians , 1 carrier owned by the British , 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Italians lost in 112 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/6 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 6 transports in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/4 hits
                    2 cruisers owned by the British , 1 fighter owned by the Italians , 1 carrier owned by the British and 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Italians lost in 112 Sea Zone
                    Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 112 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 6 transports in 112 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 transport owned by the Americans , 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Italians lost in 112 Sea Zone
                    5 transports owned by the British lost in 112 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 52
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 5 transports
                Casualties for Italians: 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 carrier moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            5 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total
            Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 34 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 45
    Russians : 29 / 31
    Japanese : 32 / 39
    Americans : 61 / 89
    Chinese : 21 / 22
    British : 27 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 4 / 0
    Italians : 28 / 39
    ANZAC : 17 / 27
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[U-505]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :11

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo

Combat - ANZAC
            ANZAC creates battle in territory 35 Sea Zone
            Battle in Borneo

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to French Indo China
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Queensland

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 26 PUs

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Borneo : 1 flag, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Queensland : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Celebes : 1 flag
    Java : 1 flag
    43 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 transport
    37 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 submarines
    36 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 transports
    35 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    39 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    54 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 transport
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag, 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 45
    Russians : 29 / 31
    Japanese : 28 / 39
    Americans : 61 / 89
    Chinese : 21 / 22
    British : 27 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 4 / 0
    Italians : 28 / 39
    ANZAC : 21 / 26
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[U-505]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  British take Alexandria from Italians

Combat - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Alexandria : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Tobruk : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Libya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Russia : 1 flag, 1 fighter
    92 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 cruiser

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 45
    Russians : 29 / 31
    Japanese : 28 / 39
    Americans : 61 / 89
    Chinese : 21 / 22
    British : 27 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 4 / 0
    Italians : 28 / 39
    ANZAC : 21 / 26
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[wheatbeer]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3 Final, version: 3.2

Game History

Round :12

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 7 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            9 armour, 34 artilleries, 4 bombers, 4 fighters, 28 infantry, 18 mech_infantrys and 8 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Volgograd
                  Germans take Volgograd from Russians
            3 armour, 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Russia
            3 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Trans-Jordan
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Trans-Jordan
                Germans win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 15 armour, 34 artilleries, 4 bombers, 6 fighters, 28 infantry, 20 mech_infantrys and 8 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 fighter; British defend with 4 fighters; Russians defend with 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 4 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 5 fighters, 83 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                    AA guns fire in Russia :  1/9 hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 15 armour, 34 artilleries, 4 bombers, 5 fighters, 28 infantry, 20 mech_infantrys and 8 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 1 :  43/114 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 3 aaGuns, 4 artilleries, 10 fighters, 83 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Russia, round 1 :  40/102 hits
                    40 infantry owned by the Russians , 28 infantry owned by the Germans , 12 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 3 aaGuns owned by the Russians lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 15 armour, 34 artilleries, 4 bombers, 5 fighters, 8 mech_infantrys and 8 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 2 :  37/74 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 artilleries, 10 fighters, 43 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Russia, round 2 :  18/62 hits
                    37 infantry owned by the Russians , 10 artilleries owned by the Germans and 8 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 15 armour, 24 artilleries, 4 bombers, 5 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers in Russia, round 3 :  32/56 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 artilleries, 10 fighters, 6 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Russia, round 3 :  8/25 hits
                    6 infantry owned by the Russians , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians , 4 mech_infantrys owned by the Russians , 4 artilleries owned by the Russians , 5 fighters owned by the Russians , 4 fighters owned by the British , 1 fighter owned by the French and 8 artilleries owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                Germans captures 31PUs while taking Russians capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 15 armour, 16 artilleries, 4 bombers, 5 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 161
                Casualties for Germans: 18 artilleries, 1 fighter, 28 infantry and 20 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for French: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 4 fighters
                Casualties for Russians: 3 aaGuns, 4 artilleries, 5 fighters, 83 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber

Non Combat Move - Germans
            8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            9 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 aaGun moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            4 bombers moved from Russia to Eastern Poland
            4 fighters and 8 tactical_bombers moved from Russia to Eastern Poland
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            2 aaGuns moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

Place Units - Germans
            7 infantry placed in Western Germany
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Western Ukraine
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 76 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 96 PUs

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 45 / 96
    Russians : 24 / 0
    Japanese : 28 / 39
    Americans : 61 / 89
    Chinese : 21 / 22
    British : 26 / 29
    UK_Pacific : 4 / 0
    Italians : 28 / 39
    ANZAC : 21 / 26
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[U-505]

Well, I can’t wait for the Low Luck game. I’ll be resigning now.

[wheatbeer]

Okay.  You can pick who bids first.

[U-505]

You can bid first as I have no clue what a proper bid would be.

[wheatbeer]

I don’t know how low luck bidding ought to differ.  Possibly higher.

I’ll start at -8 for Axis.

[U-505]

I figured it would make Germany’s opening a lot easier for them. I’ve already seen quite a few games where Germany takes a beating conquering France or in their attacks against the UK fleets. Then again, the UK should also have a pretty worry free Med opening. And Sealion is all but impossible with the proper purchases.

What does Axis-8 mean? Removal of Axis units or reduction of starting bankrolls? Either way, I’m pretty sure I’ll take it. I just need to be clear. Unless you’re getting tired of playing the Axis against me. I’m not picky.

[wheatbeer]

I was bidding league rules for G40 in which a negative bid for Axis gives that amount of IPC to the Allies to spend.

Our last game (23 rounds) you made very tough and I’m certain it would have  been an Allied victory if the US had a destroyer in range in SZ109.  So you’re definitely a challenge.

If you don’t mind a post-game comment on this match, I was convinced it would be Allied victory because I thought you were going to start buying 6 US fighters for NOR/FIN every turn and keep flying them to Moscow (directly since you built an airbase for NOR).

[U-505]

Alright I’ll take Axis-7

@wheatbeer:

If you don’t mind a post-game comment on this match, I was convinced it would be Allied victory because I thought you were going to start buying 6 US fighters for NOR/FIN every turn and keep flying them to Moscow (directly since you built an airbase for NOR).

I don’t mind at all. If I’m not mistaken, while I was building the factories I was still building in the Pacific to contain Japan so 6 fighters a turn would have been too expensive. Plus, I don’t think i would have been able to take and hold Novgorod from Germany if i had been sending fighters to defend Russia. I felt that Italy making 40+ was unacceptable and they needed to be isolated and destroyed at the cost of leaving Russia alone against Germany. I tried to get you to spread your forces out so that Italy couldn’t give Germany any help against Russia. I counted on Russia killing way more German units than they did so I could hold Novgorod long enough to take Egypt.

I thought you were guaranteed a win until you moved the Japanese fleet toward Africa. If Japan had fought for the Pacific, the US would have had a lot less money to spend in the Atlantic as I would have had no choice but to keep purchasing in the Pacific. Honestly, I thought it wasn’t a great idea to give away southeast Asia for free just for the sake of adding a few Japanese units to the Egypt defense. You’d have probably been better off trying to delay the US/ANZAC with your navy while sending mech inf and armor from India to Egypt if you really needed the help there.

[wheatbeer]

A bid of negative 8 effectively means “I’ll give the Allies 8 IPC if you let me play Axis”.  To counter, you need to offer me more than 8 IPC to let you play Axis.

Alternatively we could bid in the style: “I’ll play the Allies in exchange for 12 IPC worth of units” and then the counter would be a lower number.

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It’s true I probably shouldn’t have moved the Japanese fleet west.  But I really badly wanted to sink your British Indian Ocean fleet.

[U-505]

I’ll take the Allies and 8 then.

@wheatbeer:

It’s true I probably shouldn’t have moved the Japanese fleet west.  But I really badly wanted to sink your British Indian Ocean fleet.

At that point it wasn’t doing anything except saving me 2 bucks a turn by transporting 2 inf instead of building 2 mech and letting them hoof it to Egypt.

[U-505]

Let me think about where i want my bid.

[U-505]

Alright, I’m going to change up a little. I want the SS in sz98 this time. 2 bucks to UK.

[wheatbeer]

Okay.  I’ll post a G1 today when I have a chance.

[wheatbeer]

Might not be today, sorry about that.