@BearXxx said in Re-America- Russia.:
Can America move units, from say Alaska too, Russia. ?
As long as either of them is neutral, they can’t. Once they are allied they can.
G1 Attack on Russia?
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Curious if the surprise factor played a big part in the effectiveness of this.
Do you think the US ignoring the Atlantic and going for Japan’s throat (after its evacuation of its fleet) would have changed the game?
Were there any “tells” that Japan had that could have led the US to direct its full economic strength at Tokyo?
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@Young:
I’m not sure the axis can get a victory condition on the Pacific board anymore.
Yeah, Japan only seems to get the VC win if there is some kind of trickery on their part or tragic error on USA’s part. That’s why I like the idea of Japan playing a supporting role by shutting down India and South Africa and putting the fleet in the Mediterranean to protect Italy while the Germans do the dirty business of exterminating Russia.
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I didn’t lose a single Jap boat all game, they clashed with a small Brit fleet in the suez during my amphib attack, but I damaged 4 capital ships and repaired them next turn with my new naval base in Egypt.
As for the surprise factor, after Japan takes India, they have the option of going west, back east, or a little in both… So there is still options, but taking India is key for Japan IMO.
If I were to counter this with the allies, I would buy a lot of transports and men for ANZAC (opperating in the FIC area) and some American mussle to protect them, and I might buy a lot of UK ships with my 2 factories in Egypt.
The G1 attack on Russia is tough because you can’t prevent it and I would challenge anyone to set their board up to look like my blueprint after G1 and tell us what they would have done during Russia’s turn.
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@Young:
Grasshopper’s G1 attack on Russia
I purchased 1 destroyer, 6 infantry, and 1 artillery.
I sent 2 Strategic Bombers on Leningrad for a SBR. (took zero losses and bombed the IC for 6 damage)
I hit the Baltic States with 3 infantry and 1 tank from Poland, 1 tac bomber from Western Germany and 1 fighter from Slovakia, (lost 1 infantry)
I hit Eastern Poland with 2 infantry and 1 tank from Slovakia, and 3 tanks from Southern Germany, (took zero losses)
I hit Bessarabia with 2 infantry and 1 tank from Romania, and 1 tac bomber from Poland, (lost 1 infantry)
I hit #106 with 2 subs, (kept both)
I hit #91 with 2 subs, (lost one)
I hit #111 with 1 sub, 4 fighters, 3 tac bombers, and 1 battleship, UK scrambled their fighter, (lost sub and battleship, kept all planes)
I hit france with all land units on West Germany and Holland, (lost 6 infantry)
I walked on Finland with 3 infantry from Norway, and transported 2 from Germany to Norway from #113, I also moved my cruised into #113.
I moved all remaining infantry and artillery from Germany to Poland.
I moved all remaining infantry and artillery from Southern Germany to Slovakia.
I landed all air units from #111 back to Western Germany, and landed all air units fighting in Russia on Poland.
I placed all new units in Western Germany and #113.
I didn’t walk on Bulgaria, and I didn’t attack Yugoslavia, Normandy, or Southern France.
You’ve reduced your odds in France to 94%, with an average of taking it with 7 units left over. While you will only lose 6%, the percentage where you take it but take higher than acceptable casualties is higher.
I might be a little worried about a counter in East Poland too. Especially if R gets lucky in their D and gets the 2 hits. Even with inf 4 arm remaining it might be worthwhile for Russia to take a shot at it with 2 inf art 2 fig tac.
How UK should counter this in the Med is a complex topic and there are many options. UK could hit 96/97/91, or they could unite the fleet in 92 and just hit 91 and 96 with air/dds. Since UK will have 2 trn at its disposal, they can get up to 6 units into Algeria/Mor/Gib. Or just hit 96/97/91 and retreat the bb cru towards Canada.
I hate to pass up 97 when the opportunity is there but uniting in 92 might be the best since UK can get its entire fleet back up in 110 by UK2, and given an extra AC + scrambled figs it could be too much for the Luftwaffe unless they invest in more planes G2.
To stop it, you’d need to position your fleet in 112 at the end of G1, which would necessitate an AC buy.
So either UK can put a hurting on Italy or they can combine the fleet and come up to put a hurting on Germany.
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The only thing more I could have done in France, was to bring in planes (which I would never do) and bring in the tanks from Southern Germany (which I used in Russia), other than that, I brought in everything else possible, so not much different I would do there.
As for the UK counter, Britian is going to move their fleet to the Med, build a factory in Egypt, buy air units in London, and Transports in Ottawa weather or not Germany attacks Russia 1st round or 3rd. That’s why it’s enevitable that Italy gets crushed unless they get significant help.
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Let’s forget about my game for a minute, and get back to the heart of the matter.
Would you attack Russia turn 1?
Why or why not?I can honestly say that if I am playing a 1 on 1 game as the Axis, I am doing a G1 attack on Russia every time. Other than the many reasons I have already offered in this thread, I will state one more….
“If you’re gonna get it on with Russia, you might as well get at it”
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Two questions:
1. What do you do if the USSR moves it’s northern forces toward Finland and Norway?
2. Do you let the USSR collect it’s SZ125/Archangel NO every turn?
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Two questions:
1. What do you do if the USSR moves it’s northern forces toward Finland and Norway?
Not sure, but it wouldn’t scare me to much because I have 7+2 infantry up there, and the Baltic states would get Leningrad with ease.
2. Do you let the USSR collect it’s SZ125/Archangel NO every turn?
No, I would get a sub in their sea zone which would also negate the UK NO.
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What UK NO?
And remind me was this Alpha 3.9?
But you have sort of kinda convinced me. I will TRY this…
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@Young:
Not sure, but it wouldn’t scare me to much because I have 7+2 infantry up there, and the Baltic states would get Leningrad with ease.
Er…well if the force Russia advances to Scandanavia is able to destroy 7+2 infantry, you should probably be scared.
We’ve already established that you’re getting Leningrad pretty soon no matter what. As Russia, the choice to defend Leningrad from two directions versus lose Leningrad and take Scandanavia is an easy one. -
@Young:
Not sure, but it wouldn’t scare me to much because I have 7+2 infantry up there, and the Baltic states would get Leningrad with ease.
Er…well if the force Russia advances to Scandanavia is able to destroy 7+2 infantry, you should probably be scared.
We’ve already established that you’re getting Leningrad pretty soon no matter what. As Russia, the choice to defend Leningrad from two directions versus lose Leningrad and take Scandanavia is an easy one.You may have a point there, but until someone try’s something effective to counter it like what you suggested, I’m going to attack Russia G1.
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Hmmm so how about if you were to build an airbase in Norway and land 3 fighters G1. You could provide scramble cover to your sub in z125, and double scramble (3 tac in W Ger) for your transport, destroyer and cruiser in z112. Then keep shuttling infantry from West Germany with your transport. Notice planes from Norway can also hit Novgorod or Belarus and land in East Poland if Norway has an airbase. :-)
PLUS if UK feels too safe round 1 (ie sails the fleet away to the med, builds an IC in egypt, no infantry in London etc) and Russia pulls back to Archangel you COULD still build a wack of transports and go for England. Nothing says “no sea lion” like G1 Barbarossa LOL.
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@Vance:
Hmmm so how about if you were to build an airbase in Norway and land 3 fighters G1. You could provide scramble cover to your sub in z125, and double scramble (3 tac in W Ger) for your transport, destroyer and cruiser in z112. Then keep shuttling infantry from West Germany with your transport. Notice planes from Norway can also hit Novgorod or Belarus and land in East Poland if Norway has an airbase. :-)
PLUS if UK feels too safe round 1 (ie sails the fleet away to the med, builds an IC in egypt, no infantry in London etc) and Russia pulls back to Archangel you COULD still build a wack of transports and go for England. Nothing says “no sea lion” like G1 Barbarossa LOL.
Good idea, this could be a good counter strategy, to a future allied counter move against the G1 attack on Russia.
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z125 also baits the British fleet. No scramble if they bring planes but you get the ships next turn.
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AB in Norway instead of a CV on G1?
Still leaves 15 IPC to work with which can equate to replacing an aircraft lost on the G1 attack in SZ’s 110/111 and even a gasp tech roll if you are feeling lucky (Although a Tac and Art may be a better choice).
Interesting concept if you keep your BB and CR in SZ112 and don’t use the BB in attacking SZ110/SZ111.
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AB in Norway instead of a CV on G1?
Still leaves 15 IPC to work with which can equate to replacing an aircraft lost on the G1 attack in SZ’s 110/111 and even a gasp tech roll if you are feeling lucky (Although a Tac and Art may be a better choice).
Interesting concept if you keep your BB and CR in SZ112 and don’t use the BB in attacking SZ110/SZ111.
I would probably do it later when I’m sure I can keep 6 fighters there.
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If you build the airbase and a destroyer and save $7 you will have an even $70 in hand. It would be interesting to see a game where UK doesn’t see the threat and leaves London naked so you go ahead and pull off a sea lion after your g1 barbarossa LOL. If that is at least POSSIBLE, then UK has to build infantry round 1, and if you were to sink z110 instead of z111 nothing goes to the med so Italy would be in decent shape too. I know it sounds crazy but it might be possible to have your cake and eat it too.
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@Vance:
If you build the airbase and a destroyer and save $7 you will have an even $70 in hand. It would be interesting to see a game where UK doesn’t see the threat and leaves London naked so you go ahead and pull off a sea lion after your g1 barbarossa LOL. If that is at least POSSIBLE, then UK has to build infantry round 1, and if you were to sink z110 instead of z111 nothing goes to the med so Italy would be in decent shape too. I know it sounds crazy but it might be possible to have your cake and eat it too.
Yes, but with the UK left with a transport, a battleship, a cruiser, a destroyer and air units… there is a threat of a landing in west Germany if left bare. That’s less infantry from Germany heading east, but your idea does allow for the quick assembly of sealion, and I like that alot.
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That’s true, although you could move the AA guns from Germany and the infantry from Denmark to West Germany temporarily, and the scramble from Norway would stop the shore bombardment. But yeah maybe instead of saving the $7 it would be wise to build an infantry and artillery in West Germany. You could still throw up 9 transports in z113 next turn (10 total) and bring units back from the Eastern front to Germany if the opportunity for a sea lion arises. With 6 planes to scramble and the destroyer and cruiser in z112 they would be hard pressed to get a blocker in z112 that Italy couldn’t clear by air. Also, Germany having $63 in hand is not the same thing as having $70 in hand, so maybe UK doesn’t see the possibility and they maybe leave it open?
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An attack on Russia at the start is simply creating a two sided war at the beginning and normally ends up with germany having to have Italy come help them instead of gaining icp in africa. Germany should go all out for Uk on the first turn. You actually have a decent chance of taking london. Once thats done the game is almost over for the allies
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