I’ve tried this out a few times, it is like a “sneaky sea-lion”. I don’t usually have issues with US coming to liberate Britain in this scenario either because it is so fast. You can make it a real blind-side if you move the french troops back and move troops to the Russian front as if you’re preparing for a big Eastern push.
What do do with Germany
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Cmdr Jennifer could you please elaborate on your strategy more in dealing with tank rushes/tank spaming. I like the invade norway idea as U.S. to build up fleet
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Cmdr Jennifer could you please elaborate on your strategy more in dealing with tank rushes/tank spaming. I like the invade norway idea as U.S. to build up fleet
Rules out of the box
Alpha +1
Alpha +2
or Alpha +3?Makes a difference on what America can and cannot do with Norway.
Anyway, trick to tank dashes is Artillery. Instead of paring 3 infantry per 1 artillery, up it to 1.5 infantry per artillery and then retreat into yourself. Once you get him stretched out (hence the tank dash part) you’ll start trading insignificant infantry for expense tanks and have enough artillery to really put some threat behind you.
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We usually play alpha 3 but we don’t use the AA gun rule or victory conditions. We make the victory conditions to where they have to control 7 on Europe and 6 in pacific. The only thing with AA guns is we don’t take them as casualties
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That makes taking UK really easy! I think going seal lion would happen every game in that case. The axis with the rules you guys played are WAY too powerful.
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That makes taking UK really easy! I think going seal lion would happen every game in that case. The axis with the rules you guys played are WAY too powerful.
Already does for me WITH the AA Gun rules. (Actually you could change the AA Gun rules but keep everything else in Alpha 3 the same and I would STILL do Sea Lion because England’s defense is GONE.) And why not? You can get it cheap, it’s a capitol, and it’s a victory city. It’s a win/win/win/lose (because it’s not an NO anymore.)
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I really would like to see more defense added to england. Make it harder to take the capital. It is ridiculous that there is no way to defend against it.
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I challenge anyone to try to take London against me in Alpha 3 without entirely unacceptable losses - defined as losing all your Fighters/Tacs in order to take London. Either in an actual match up to G4 or in a simple thought-experiment thread.
I don’t think it’s quite as easy as you guys all think it is.
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The games too easy to read. Instead of Russia retreating and reinforcing they will be able to see you going for a Sealion attempt and just stack the borders. To take UK, some German Airforce may be lost due to AAGun fire or as losses so troops can take the territory. Germany needs their Airforce, fullstop. Thats their attacking power. On top of that you have however many IPCs invested in transports that have an attack power of fuck all. Germany also needs to help keep Italy alive or at least make a foot hole for them in Africa. Thats alot to do without spending IPCs on transports. IF you could take London you will be weak in other areas. If you would like a game of Alpha 3 after our Alpha 2 game Alsch91 just let me know. (Even though Im agreeing with you, I am still curious)
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But the player never ever builds a navy or anything for sealion. He just goes after russia which lets the U.K. do almost whatever he wants to do. All he really does is destroy the navy then everything is sent east. He at one time didn’t even do that, until I invaded france on turn 2.
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Oh that’s just silly. You can’t just leave UK alone. Not only will they start landing in Europe, Germany will cease to exist in the Atlantic. Forget any convoy raiding for Germany, they won’t have any subs for it.
In one of our games, the Germany player pulled a stunt like that. They went straight after RUssia after taking France out. To make matters worse, Japan attacked USA and UK round 2. So, the US sent out destroyers and planes to help UK clear out all the German subs. Germany used their fleet to kill the Russian Baltic fleet and built transports to attack Leningrad. Well, the UK ended up taking Denmark round 3 and since most of the heavy hitting Germany stuff was in Russia, Germany couldn’t take Denmark back. Then the British fleet sailed in to the Baltic and finished off the German navy.
I really don’t know what the German player was thinking. It wasn’t long before there were US and UK troops in Europe and Norway. UK kind of neutered Italy in the Med and wiped out the Italian forces in Africa. Then US troops landed in Rome and Italy was pretty much done for. Also, in spite of the aggressiveness of the Japanese, it was more or less attacking with out purpose. Japan was one island short of getting the DEI (India fortified Sumatra and Japan just didn’t have enough to take it). They didn’t back up their mainland forces which got whittled down and they left their capital ships exposed to attack.
What was kind of funny was when UK and US forces were really threatening Berlin, Germany tried rushing all their armor back west. Thing was they were too far into Russia so they couldn’t get back in time to save Berlin. Meanwhile Russia, who was in real trouble, now had breathing room and started regaining territory. Russia slaughtered German infantry and artillery while the German armor was obliterated in East Poland. Japan ended up losing all ground in Asia and their fleet was reduced to a handful of lesser ships with 1 battleship and 1 carrier. With the Germans and Italians dead, now ALL the Allies were closing in on poor Japan. Just a lot of very bad planning on the Axis side. -
He now said he is going to destroy the brit navy turn 1, but after that he is almost always done with the British. Last game we fought over France since the beginning as Britain took Normandy back turn 2 and since heavy german forces were all east, France was liberated turn 3 then reinforced turn 4 by America. He kept boasting that his massive panzer army (some 10-11 new tanks per turn) was going to win the war but they were all landlocked in europe, and most of them were in Russia.
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I challenge anyone to try to take London against me in Alpha 3 without entirely unacceptable losses - defined as losing all your Fighters/Tacs in order to take London. Either in an actual match up to G4 or in a simple thought-experiment thread.
I don’t think it’s quite as easy as you guys all think it is.
I’ll take that challenge.
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So should I take norway as america and build a complex there to put fresh units into the fight in europe while still shipping some over?
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Sounds fine to me Jen. I apologize if I came off as arrogant; I’m simply interested in which tipped the Sealion balance more strongly - 5 more hits for UK vs 1 more Strat and a weaker France for Germany.
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If he leaves your british fleet alive, build a carrier and 2 dd’s t1 with UK and start doing landings in norway. Get 5 transports going as UK and start to really punish germany. Or you could send your fleet south build an industrial complex in egypt and kill of italy in the south. Then start pumping units in to italy or greece.
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Sounds fine to me Jen. I apologize if I came off as arrogant; I’m simply interested in which tipped the Sealion balance more strongly - 5 more hits for UK vs 1 more Strat and a weaker France for Germany.
Well, it’s more than just 5 hits lost. England lost, at a minimum, 13 Punch as well but that’s only looking at what units you no longer have to bring to the fight, you are not looking at the losses due to Convoy Raids that cannot be stopped (no destroyers left) nor the Strategic Bombers hitting the Complex. Between CRD and SBR England should lose another 6 units. So now England is down 11 Hits and 25 Punch and that is very significant really.
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