@monroe Actually I hear that a whole turn equates to 6 months for A&A…
United States Set from Historical Board Gaming!
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YES,…There WAS a mini-sub that ENTERRED the harbor, shot a torpedo(a miss at a Cruiser), and was rammed by a Destroyer. However it did NOT fire at the USS ARIZONA or any of the other Battleships!
The book I just posted about, Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan Zimm accounts for ALL of the mini-subs, their accomplishments(if any), and their fate. It gives an analytical report coverring ALL aspects of the attack, practically down to every bomb or torpedo. It’s a real eye-opener and done through many personal interviews with IJN pilots, staff, US sailors and soldiers, and a LOT of RESEARCH ! One of the BEST books I’ve read in a long time. I wish every AMERICAN would either read this book, or have it taught to them in school. It debunks a lot of the myths concerning this very important battle.
Such As:
The attack was “brilliantly” planned and executed. A lot of information here. You will have your eyes opened.
No 3rd wave attack was ever requested by Fuchida. This is verified by the planner of the mission Genda, and several other leading pilots or ships staff that were “there” and had a large “Say” in the matter.
An attack on the Oil Tanks would NOT have forced the retreat of the fleet back to the US mainland coast. Admiral Nimitz said it would have,…but that was to “cover up” the existance of the underground oil storage facilities just coming into existance.
An attack on the Repair Shops and Facilities couldn’t have had any major effect on the fleets capabilities. For many, many reasons this attack couldn’t have been successful in even “denting” the repair capacities on Pearl Harbor.
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So much of what Americans mistakenly believe as “history” are what we see in the movies, correct or not. These movies are usually based on a book or books. Many of the historian/authors of the Pearl Harbor attack and the Battle of Midway were based on Fuchida’s book: “Midway, The Battle that Doomed Japan”(? I think I have the title correct) that has been proven by other Japanese to be a self-serving face-saver for him and his accomplishments.
To read a FANTASTIC book that really puts the record straight on these two battles, as well as many other facets of the Japanese Naval war effort, you should read:
Shatterred Sword, The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway", by Parshall and Tully–---------------------------
As far as “alternate” storylines for the “Coach’s” game,…
The Carrier USS ENTERPRISE was expected to have been back at Pearl Harbor on Saturday Dec. 6, 1941 but was delayed due to heavy weather. This is what happenned in REAL LIFE. The “Coach” might say it wasn’t delayed by weather, or was “alerted” to the unfolding attack in his game.
The attack on the Japanese mini-sub just off the harbor entrance by the Destroyer USS WARD and a PBY seaplane was acted upon quickly without waiting for confirmation and the alarm was sounded(as it should have been).
The report of a large incoming air formation from the radar station on Opana Point(?) was believed and acted upon(as it should have been).
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Their are so many Ifs and Possibilities that I guess it would make for an VERY INTERESTING “what if” game. Plus, I’d love to see the A&A sized “Old” Battleships that “Coach” has proposed to make. The book mentioned above also gives several differrent possible outcomes due to changed possibilities.
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“Coach”,…Sign me up as a DEFINATE SALE ! I will buy your Pearl Harbor Game because it sounds like it would be so much FUN and have so many differrent possible outcomes.
Do we get any more hints about it,…or when you might release it for sale???
“Tall Paul”
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The history channel or miltary channel had a show called Myths of Pearl harbour it was excellent. If you guys get a chance watch it. Very well done. They actually found the sub that we fired on with the shell hole in the turret. Kind a cool knowing that was the first shot fired in the Pacific conflict.
You can find it online here:
http://documentaryheaven.com/the-myths-of-pearl-harbour/
There’s also a decent doco out there about the midget subs that got into Sydney Harbour in an attempt to sink allied shipping. I can’t remember the name of it though.
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tall paul,
thanks for reminding me…i was doubting my own facts(does not happen often.)
i think you saw the same documentay as me on the decovery chaned about the “fish tails”.
all i could reber was ARIZONA so i just took a shot at it (i missed :P) -
or was it the histoy chanel… i can remember :P
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cminke,
Yes, I’m certain it was the same show you’re talking about. I certainly NOT call it a documentary though. After reading about how the producers of that show intentionally deleted any and all evidence that conflicted with the SENSATIONALIZED program, I would call it what it is,…a TV show made simply for the ratings by sensationallizing (and falsely slanting) the story.
By the way, if you have even the slightest interest in the Attack on Pearl Harbor you should at least look at the Product Description and Reviews of it on Amazon Books,…even if you don’t buy it. It’s REALLY worth it’s price, though. Great Book!
Are you interested in the “Coach’s” Pearl Harbor game like I am? It sounds like it could be a very interesting game that might not ever have the same outcome. A bit refreshing if you ask me. And all of the COOL old Battleship in A&A scale! I hope we will all be able to “Climb Mount Tanaka” and have our very own “Tora, Tora, Tora” games soon(Hint, Hint, “Coach”).
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I think that should read “Mt. Nataka”. But at this point, I’m too tired to spell even my own name correctly. haha.
“Tall Paul”
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Actually it was “Climb Mount Niitaka” :-)
-Slainte
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Orizen,
You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I mispelled the name. But I invite you to refer to the the next 14 words I typed.
Orizen, I’m actually thankful you corrected my spelling error because, as the serious student of History that I am, I want the correct info passed on to everyone. Thanks.
And I will again repeat my sincere request thatI hope the “Coach” will release his Pearl Harbor game soon,…or at least give us some updates on it.
Like I Say,……What Do YA’LL Think???
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ya coach!!
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Tall Paul,
Wakarimasu! I was a little fuzzy myself and had to double check to make sure about that second “i” :-D
Do itashimashite.
I also echo your sentiments on the Pearl Harbor game and add a call for Coral Sea and Midway!-Slainte
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“Coach”’
May I request you to make a new thread about your futurePearl Harbor game I don’t know where you are along with it, or how much time you have to devote to it,…but it seems that there would be enough interest in it to warrant a thread of it’s own so we could keep up with any developements. Thanks for listening.
“Tall Paul”
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@Tall:
“Coach”’
May I request you to make a new thread about your futurePearl Harbor game I don’t know where you are along with it, or how much time you have to devote to it,…but it seems that there would be enough interest in it to warrant a thread of it’s own so we could keep up with any developements. Thanks for listening.
“Tall Paul”
I will,
I am very busy this week trying to ready for a 7 day vacation so no orders will go out after Friday morning for the next 8 days.
I need some time off, 80 hour work weeks are taking their toll on me. I will start the Pearl Harbor game thread when I get back.
I will also start the Axis Minor pre-order and give you more information on the next set after the U.S sculpts that I have already posted. The “Neutral” set will be done in 6 colors and will have some totally different pieces than you have seen so far. I will also be posting a poll for the next set. -
“Coach”,
That’s GREAT news “Coach”. About EVERYTHING you mentioned. I sincerely hope you enjoy your vacation and put everything A&A out of your mind for a short while during your vac. It looks like several people are already looking forward to your P.H. game. Have FUN and we’ll hear from you soon.
“Tall Paul”
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coach i admire you<3
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how many pieces in each set?
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i meant how many of each pieces are going to be in the set?
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i meant how many of each pieces are going to be in the set?
(2) of each except (4) P-51 and (4) Airborne
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Wow,
That would be:
2 Mack Trucks
2 CVE Escort Carriers
2 “Nevada” class Battleships
2 M-5 “Stuart” Light Tanks
2 Tank Destroyers
2 M-7 “Priest” Self Propelled Artillery(Mech Art.)
2 C-46 “Commando” Cargo Planes
2 P-40 “Warhawk” Fighters
2 B-25 “Mitchell” Medium Bombers
2 TBF Torpedo Bombers
4 P-51 “Mustang” Fighters
4 “Airborne” InfantryThis is going to be a GREAT set! I’m really looking forward to “Coach” returning from his well deserved vacation and accepting our pre-orders. I’m ready!
“Tall Paul”
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Hmmm. I may have to end up ordering 10 of the US set. I was originally looking at 5 sets, but I will want more M-5s, Mack Trucks and M-7s for sure. Probably more B-25s and P-40s too.
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