I think Japan still would have invaded the Soviet Union though, if the Second Sino-Japanese War continued (the oil embargo only really happened once they invaded Indochina).
Other than that I agree with you. That would be curious alternate reality.
What IF canada stayed out of the war(IF)
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Making excuses why Nazis did bad things is a losing argument no matter how eloquent you think you are being. Whatever reason you think you have, subjecting one minority group for special treatment versus others is evil. If there was a food problem the entire population needs to bare the brunt or war should not have been entered into. I seriously doubt that if in 1944 or any year for that matter….that if the allies had rushed food to the germans that the Nazis would have stopped killing the jews. I am not saying anyone here is a douche, but those who make excuses for what the nazis (Nazis NOT germans) did are douches. So I seriously hope nobody here is making excuses for Nazis because I do think we have some really bright lights at this site.
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Making excuses why Nazis did bad things is a losing argument no matter how eloquent you think you are being.
Good point, MrMalachi. Acknowledging Nazi atrocities, even if some incidents of those atrocities are overstated, isn’t just about admonishing the Germans. It’s about what drives some groups of people to commit horrific acts in the name of something, and how we can try to prevent that from happening again, or at least catch the warning signs early.
Kurt wrote:
That mechanism is explained in more detail in Adam Tooze’s excellent work, The Wages of Destruction. The book has been praised by The Times (London), The Boston Globe, Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Sun, and other major media outlets. On pages 89 - 90, Tooze writes,
Fantastic source, but no where does it support your claim that the food blockade was a “proximate cause” for the killing of millions of Jews (as well as millions of Poles, Ukrainians, and other European ethnic/national groups) or that without the blockade, the Nazis would have embraced Europe’s Jewish population. I’m sure Tooze would balk at such a correlation to his excellent book. He analyzes the Nazi perspective that justified - in Nazi eyes - mass killings of certain groups, but he does not condone those actions, let alone blame the Allies for those killings.
Again, you try to shift blame to the UK because they did not provide homes for the European Jews (you do realize there were millions and millions of Jews in Europe?). What kind of argument is that? Hitler’s desire to ship the Jewish population to Madagascar wasn’t a noble one, wouldn’t you agree?
Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re suggesting Nazi Germany was forced to exterminate and execute millions of innocent people becuase:
A) the Allied blockade caused a food shortage, and some groups received better food than others
B) the UK and whoever else wouldn’t accept the millions of Jewish refuges, and finally:
C) Hitler wasn’t able to ship the Jewish population to Madagascar, which we all know is just such a wonderful resort and would have made a fantastic place for millions of disposed and penniless people to live. :roll:Am I and MrMalachi the only ones who call BS on these nonsensical arguments? This isn’t just some interesting conspiracy theory, like those who believe English pilots bombed Pearl Harbor to draw the U.S. into the war. These are rather some very serious misconceptions.
And Jesus, Cminke, do you not own a dictionary?
Mods, is it possible to have this topic split into another thread, maybe named something like “WTF, This is ridiculous”?
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GUYS! Get back on Canada or IL is gonna shut this topic down! Alright? Good play nice.
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No more posts about whatever this topic became. Start a new thread.
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Mods, is it possible to have this topic split into another thread… ?
That way we don’t have to argue this BS all over again. Besides, I feel a mile-long series of comments and quotes from Kurt coming our way, and we wouldn’t want him to put it in the wrong thread.
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Zhukov shut your mouth and quit posting here for your own good before your deleted. Sorry IL we won’t post anymore unless it’s on Canda. By the way can I be your evil sidekick :-D :evil:
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yah right you wish only a candain are evil enougf to be his sidekick
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Oh, yessir Mister Ryan, I donts want to be kicked off this here forum, I just learnin so much, especially from you Mister Ryan!
Yessir, Mister Ryan, I play nice from here on. I just donts know what I’d do if dey got rid ‘a me! That postin’ off topic stuff, good Lord, that’s just the devil.
Yessir, Mister Ryan, maybe you put in a good word to the masters for me and maybe dey keep me ‘round sum more! Maybe dey let me be a grovellin’ sidekick too?
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IL can we get this shut down? There are about a dozen posts just like this dribble.
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I have no problem with a moderator trying to keep the topic….on topic. Ryan, you are sounding like a teachers pet, it does not become you.
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IL can we get this shut down? There are about a dozen posts just like this dribble.
but we are allowed to talk off topic… just as long as we dont change the whole thread.
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Okay I’ll say this one last time. Keep the thread on topic! Otherwise this is my last post. No I’m not being a moderators pet ( :-D see how I said that haha… okay nvm) I’m just trying to keep the thread from being deleted. So whats your guys opinion on the Canadian wartime production during WWII?
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Good try but i think this it dead any ways. it had a good life. :) and its ok to get off topic, like i said, but as long as it doesn’t affect the base of the whole topic
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Ah alright good point. Well lets just stop if you already haven’t. Consider this thread dead :-D
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In closing: The Allies (UK in this case alone) could have lost the war if Canada had remained Neutral :-D
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and thus we end on a happy note
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Oh boy. I missed out on THIS?
Sorry, guys, it’s my duty as a Canadian to post in here :-D
Canada’s economy aside, as she would have supported the British regardless of her official political and military stance in the war, there are other things to consider.
The Canadian military was the only military worth noting that could have interfered with a German invasion. Nearly the entire British army’s heavy equipment was left at Dunkirk, and her factories were at the point of collapse from the amount of bombings the Germans employed against them.
That is where we should discuss some more, the Battle of Britain. Canada is where a huge percentage of pilots from across the Commonwealth were trained. I believe the number is as high as 90% of the pilots that fought over Britain were trained in the Canadian wilderness.
In addition, the Canadian aviation projects that occurred between 1939 through 1942, when America’s input was seriously felt, was what kept the Allied air fleets in the skies to defend Britain in the first place.
Everyone knows air superiority is what wins a war.
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Without Canada (and the commonwealth), England would have lost the war.
Simple as that.
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