@ladymccormick Generally speaking, I wouldn’t recommend using speculative forum posts as source material for a university thesis. Anyway, for some more details, see: https://coolinterestingstuff.com/did-hitler-escape-to-spain
But I don’t really believe it, as I already explained in my 2016 reply to this topic (see above).
Why do people compare Napoleon to Hitler?
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It was a noble dream to Hitler.
But yah i get what your saying, I mean he was a product of the enlightenment. If napoleon was the bad guy who were the good guys? The Hapsburg royal family? :lol: doubtful.
To the point about Napoleon not starting the wars that bear his name, thats a little hard to defend, after all no one “starts” a war its just that nations have greivences against each other that go back forever.
From what I have heard and read Napoleon loved battle and was a warmongerer, but i dont think thats nessisarily a mark against him.
I think Dylan hit it right on the money why people compare the two. Also some would say there both revisionist forces fighting the status quo, although Napoleon has the more lasting, meaningful and positive legacy.
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Of course this brings the question of is it okay to pre-emptively invade a country to give it a good government system(I’m being nice and saying that’s what Napoleon wanted).
And yes, invading a country for refusing to ban trade with an enemy is pre-emptive. If not, the US would be justified in invading Every country in the world except Israel and Palau since all disapprove of the US’s blockade of Cuba
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Of course this brings the question of is it okay to pre-emptively invade a country to give it a good government system(I’m being nice and saying that’s what Napoleon wanted).
And yes, invading a country for refusing to ban trade with an enemy is pre-emptive. If not, the US would be justified in invading Every country in the world except Israel and Palau since all disapprove of the US’s blockade of Cuba
US doing that? Ever heard of NATO
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Yes, but Napoleon had an alliance with Russia
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@Dylan:
Napoleon and Hitler both suffered because of the Russian winter
Napoleon and Hitler both wanted to take over Europe
Both failed to take Britainthere’s a few more.
Napoleon helped created modern Europe. His conquest spread the ideas of the French Revolution. His occupation of Europe caused the spread of nationalism.
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@ABWorsham:
@Dylan:
Napoleon and Hitler both suffered because of the Russian winter
Napoleon and Hitler both wanted to take over Europe
Both failed to take Britainthere’s a few more.
Napoleon helped created modern Europe. His conquest spread the ideas of the French Revolution. His occupation of Europe caused the spread of nationalism.
Which ironically led to his downfall as the German states turned against him
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Because the civilized world hated both of these fellows. All of Europe in fact declared war on “napoleon” before the 100 days campaign.
They both tried to make a continental europe and replace the plutocratic clique with a new order dominated by their own country.
And most of the same nations were involved. Historians also point out this connection and some make the claim that all the wars from 1798-1945 are really one larger war with periods of rest ( actually a new build up) in-between.
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@Imperious:
Because the civilized world hated both of these fellows. All of Europe in fact declared war on “napoleon” before the 100 days campaign.
They both tried to make a continental europe and replace the plutocratic clique with a new order dominated by their own country.
And most of the same nations were involved. Historians also point out this connection and some make the claim that all the wars from 1798-1945 are really one larger war with periods of rest ( actually a new build up) in-between.
What about the ‘war’ from 1945 to 1991?
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Both of these fellows rose to power to become sole rulers. Both led their nations in multi-national military conquest campaigns. And the several other reasons given above. For my part, it is actually more dificult to define where they were different without getting silly about their accents or the colors of their uniforms.
Regarding the war from 1945 to 1991, thank goodness the West won that war.
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@Imperious:
Because the civilized world hated both of these fellows. All of Europe in fact declared war on “napoleon” before the 100 days campaign.
They both tried to make a continental europe and replace the plutocratic clique with a new order dominated by their own country.
And most of the same nations were involved. Historians also point out this connection and some make the claim that all the wars from 1798-1945 are really one larger war with periods of rest ( actually a new build up) in-between.
Well there were name changes and political issues.
Prussia became Germany
Russia became the Soviet Union
Denmark-Norway split up
Austria became Austria Hungary, then Serbia pushed in and became Yugoslavia, and Austria and Hungary were two smaller countries
Italy expanded and got rid of countries like the NaplesThere might be a few more.
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I read something from phrophet Nostradamus, that there should be 3 anti-Christ’s coming to earth.
Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin all have one thing common, they were all born in another country.
Napoleon was born in Corsica, south of France.
Hitler was born in Austria, south of Germany.
Stalin was born in Georgia, south of Russia.
All of them survived plenty of battles and assasination-attempts, and died in mysterious ways, propably by poison.
They were not humans. -
They have nothing in common other than they were both stupid to attack Russia
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Hitler probably enjoyed being compared to Napoleon….no reason to hold that against Napoleon…
Both men were short, both men conquered Europe, both men engaged in prolonged war with United Kingdom, and for both men, their greatest error was trying to conquer Russia.
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I read something from phrophet Nostradamus, that there should be 3 anti-Christ’s coming to earth.
Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin all have one thing common, they were all born in another country.
Napoleon was born in Corsica, south of France.
Hitler was born in Austria, south of Germany.
Stalin was born in Georgia, south of Russia.
All of them survived plenty of battles and assasination-attempts, and died in mysterious ways, propably by poison.
They were not humans.Wasn’t Georgia part of the Soviet Union?
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Yes, Georgia was part of Sovjet Union, like Corsica was part of the Franch empire and Austria was part of Greater Germany’s the Third Reich.
Also Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin was basically atheists, but created their own religions in order to gain better control of their populations.
All three was great conquerers, and also great architects, and they
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Hitler probably enjoyed being compared to Napoleon….no reason to hold that against Napoleon…
Both men were short, both men conquered Europe, both men engaged in prolonged war with United Kingdom, and for both men, their greatest error was trying to conquer Russia.
Hitler was 5’9. Napoleon was 5’6. =|
Also, it is very hard to provide any evidence that Hitler was not responsible for WWII, but it can be debated that Napoleon never started any war, even the invasion of Russia. I could debate it here, but that’s not the point; the point is people can argue that Britain started the Napoleonic Wars just as easily as saying Napoleon did (and, to be honest, the evidence is against Britain).
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To those who might want to see the other side of the coin of Napoleon, instead of being spoonfed that he “loved war” and was a bloodthirsty tyrant, I invite you to read several books, both by a man named Ben Weider who was legendary in his knowledge of Napoleon. He was also one of the strong advocates that Napoleon died of arsenic poisoning (which is true).
-Napoleon: the Man Who Shaped Europe
-Wars Against Napoleon: Debunking the Myth of the Napoleonic WarsAnd also this: CHRONOLOGICAL TABLE OF THE PRINCIPAL EVENTS IN THE LIFE OF NAPOLEON
All of that was written by Ben Weider (or at least most of it) and you’ll find that yes, he is blatantly positively biased of Napoleon. But that’s only because he’s trying to counter the equally blatant negative bias that Napoleon’s name has constantly been getting even while he was alive, to provide a balance and let people see the other side of the story.
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@UN:
Hitler probably enjoyed being compared to Napoleon….no reason to hold that against Napoleon…
Both men were short, both men conquered Europe, both men engaged in prolonged war with United Kingdom, and for both men, their greatest error was trying to conquer Russia.
Hitler was 5’9. Napoleon was 5’6. =|
Also, it is very hard to provide any evidence that Hitler was not responsible for WWII, but it can be debated that Napoleon never started any war, even the invasion of Russia. I could debate it here, but that’s not the point; the point is people can argue that Britain started the Napoleonic Wars just as easily as saying Napoleon did (and, to be honest, the evidence is against Britain).
Well, I guess you can argue that Russia started that war since they pulled out from the continental system.
And you can argue that Hitler wasn’t responsible for WW2: someone on here said that Hitler only invaded Poland; the Brits and French made it a world war by declaring war
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@UN:
All of that was written by Ben Weider (or at least most of it) and you’ll find that yes, he is blatantly positively biased of Napoleon. But that’s only because he’s trying to counter the equally blatant negative bias that Napoleon’s name has constantly been getting even while he was alive, to provide a balance and let people see the other side of the story.
i dont think biased info+biased info = actual info.
Alot of people say the allies in the first world war planted the seeds for world war 2 with abusive peace treaties. I am not saying I agree with that, but it counters your point that Hitler was the sole cause of WW2.
I mean I think we can leave it at: 1.Napoleon didnt murder millions of people 2. Napoleon’s ideals were at the very least no more absurd than those of his enemies.
Otherwise, like Julius Ceaser and many more before them they were both great conquerors though their ambition and confidence got the better of them.
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